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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by square_usual »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #687
phatfish wrote: post #384

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Most users here are American, have you seen what is happening in America? The funny (sad) thing is all the hot takes about the UK or Europe being a "police state" because porn is being blocked for kids, or persistent abuse on social media actually has repercussion (as it does in the real world already). Meanwhile ICE are murdering US citizens in the streets. Turns out American "free speech" doesn't prevent an authori…

Lucy Connolly was imprisoned for about a year in the UK for posting an inflammatory anti-immigration social media post which was deemed illegal under UK law, and is currently being threatened ( https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2157938/lucy-connolly-pris... ) with being returned to jail for posting social media content attacking the current UK government. This is hardly the only example of the UK, or other Anglophone…

… did you read your own linked article?

> she was jailed for calling for mass deportation and for migrant hotels to be set on fire

That’s literally calling for violence?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by mindslight »

sarchertech wrote: post #665
mindslight wrote: post #328

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One failing of framing it as " just ... since television became widespread " is that it ignores the actual power "television" (really, mass media, and now individually-tailored mass media) has to exert effective population control. The worrying thing here isn't so much the specific draconian actions themselves, but how much of the population is actively and gleefully cheering for them. And as it's obvious that none o…

Convincing the Federal government to voluntarily relinquish power, or forcing them to do so is probably the hardest and least likely possible change we could make to our system of government. Positing that as some kind of easier more realistic stopgap vs essentially any other reform is bordering on madness.

Probably easier than convincing individual senators/reps and the part(ies) as a whole to give up their own personal power with things like Ranked Pairs voting, no?

And probably easier to have Congress pass such legislation to draw a new line in the sand, even if it could be undone later, than doing things that would inescapably require a Constitutional amendment.

The problem with the other reforms I have thought of is that we're so far gone it will take more than one reform. Like campaign finance reform would have been great a decade ago. But now that kind of relies on getting back a non-pwnt and even trustworthy law enforcement apparatus, too. Same with a US GDPR / tech antitrust enforcement - would have been great a decade or two ago, but it won't particularly change much now that half the pop culture is already enamored with fascism.

But I agree that we need to be brainstorming and discussing many approaches to reform. So what specifically are you thinking of as the reforms we need?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by lukas099 »

charcircuit wrote: post #690
chowchowchow wrote: post #469

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>This is systematically not true as citizens can not be legally deported. And yet. >If someone is not a citizen and are here illegally they should be removed, no matter their intentions. If you are willing to break the law to stay here, I personally don't want them back in the country. Without even getting into the subject of kids who are brought here.. I just have to say, why? Immigrants are net contributors in the…

>just have to say, why? Those who disrespect my countries law do not deserve to benefit from my great country. >Immigrants are net contributors in the US This would not change my opinion one way or the other. >are attempting to follow the rules Well they clearly aren't trying hard enough if they are in the country without a proper visa.

If you’ve driven 10mph over the speed limit you’ve committed a worse crime than crossing a border without authorization.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by kbmckenna »

hwguy45 wrote: post #679
carlosft wrote: post #672

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There is a lot of room between unfettered immigration and having a roving band of apparently unaccountable agents violating 1st, 4th, and 6th amendment rights while also gunning down unarmed citizens in the streets. We could try mandating e-verify with increasing penalties before we start asking people for papers and kicking down doors.

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This feels like an argument that the feds have no choice but to trample on our rights because we’re not agreeing to it up front. There was a memo that they didn’t need a warrant to enter peoples houses. That is morally wrong and also a recipe for violence. Why should local leaders trust the feds at all when they claim that Alex Pretti was an “assassin” and “domestic terrorist”?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by hackable_sand »

jorts wrote: post #507
neilv wrote: post #287

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That questionable-sounding stunt by the media outlet wasn't comparable: Google/Alphabet knows much more about individuals than addresses, salary, and political donations. Google/Alphabet knows quite a lot about your sentiments, what information you've seen, your relationships, who can get to you, who you can get to, your hopes and fears, your economic situation, your health conditions, assorted kompromat, your moveme…

It was probably a decade ago and I recall using something within Google that would tell you about who they thought you were. It profiled me as a middle eastern middle aged man or something like that which was… way off.

Creepy and oppressive, go figure.

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Post by charcircuit »

RHSeeger wrote: post #605
charcircuit wrote: post #371

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> >They arrest and deport US citizens > This is systematically not true as citizens can not be legally deported. And yet > The true scope of U.S. citizens wrongfully deported is not known as the federal government does not release data on how often members of this group are mistakenly detained or even removed from the country. However, The Washington Post estimated that there are at least 12 well-known cases, drawing…

The only examples given are kids leaving with a parent. That is not something the average citizen has to worry about.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by newfriend »

kjellsbells wrote: post #240

FWIW, people here illegally are already not eligible for Medicaid, [0] so it's hard to see why ICE having access to a roster of Medicaid enrollees would help them with their stated mission of enforcing removal orders. Then again, we have ICE shooting American citizens in the streets, so I guess the law is whatever they decide it is, not least because our legislative branch is uninterested in laws. https://www.congres…

They're also not eligible to be living in the US, yet here we are.

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Post by mallets »

rus20376 wrote: post #660

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Wish the proponents of stricter immigration would push for a proper national ID first.

Right now you have all the cons anyway, with none of the pros. A stitched-up database that has no laws attached to prevent its misuse. Just like with gun control, law enforcement could've made their job easier decades ago.

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Post by kbmckenna »

rus20376 wrote: post #660

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Don’t act like the current policy is the only possible alternative to open borders. In spring of ’24, a bipartisan bill negotiated with Republicans included the following:

* Personnel surge: 1,500+ new Border Patrol agents, 4,300 asylum officers, and 100 immigration judges with staff to address 5-7 year case backlogs

* Emergency shutdown authority: Presidential power to close the border and suspend asylum processing when daily encounters exceeded capacity thresholds

* Fentanyl enforcement: 100 cutting-edge inspection machines at Southwest ports of entry, plus sanctions authority against foreign nationals involved in transnational drug trafficking

* Detention and support: Funding to address overcrowded ICE facilities, $1.4B for cities/states providing migrant services, and expedited work permits for eligible applicants

* Asylum system overhaul: Faster and fairer asylum process with massively expanded officer capacity to reduce years-long delays in adjudication

This bill had flaws and reasonable people disagreed on details, but it represented serious bipartisan compromise. Republicans walked away from it after Trump opposed it and it was blocked in congress. If you think that specific bill was bad, show me the Republican legislation introduced to solve the immigration crisis. They don’t want to solve the problem because it fires up their base.

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Post by interestpiqued »

rus20376 wrote: post #660

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I think people are forgetting that ICE has been around for decades at this point and some if not most of the stuff they do is routine(Not including some recent enforcement behaviors). I agree with you that is not necessarily bad that the government is using its own data fed in to a vendor tool to enforce immigration.
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