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Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by throwaway173738 »

pixl97 wrote: post #625
zahlman wrote: post #494

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> Processed foods are much cheaper per calorie than "healthy" options. > Instead of $0.50 worth of Doritos as a snack, I'm eating $1.50 worth of Greek yogurt and $1.50 worth of fruit. I won't bother with currency conversion because we're comparing ratios. 50 cents here gets a third of a 200g bag of generic brand potato chips, so 360 calories. Doritos are probably at least twice that expensive but whatever. (The gener…

One particular thing on items like bananas and yogurt is they are very quickly perishable. You better be around and have a plan to eat them. Same with rice and beans, unless you're buying instant packs you have to plan and cook them, and be around to eat the leftovers. This is the thing about most crap foods. They require no commitment. Keep them around for months. Even after opening them they last for days or weeks.…

I pressure cook beans. On induction or gas it takes about an hour to make a gallon beans from dry, and then I eat that for one meal a day for a week. You can get a 3 quart pressure cooker and just make less. I’ve also seen people use stainless steel bowls to cook multiple things in the same pressure cooker.

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Post by jaggederest »

rootusrootus wrote: post #614
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Do we know what the reason is for the limits of around 10-20%?

I don't know that there's a consensus on what the limit really is. Semaglutide is good for about 15%, tirzepatide about 20%, and retatrutide about 25%. Some people don't get that much, some people get a lot more. Personally, tirzepatide got me just over 35%. I never got anywhere near max dose, either, I am what is colloquially referred to as a super responder.

Super responders unite, I'm down 32% and shooting for 36% before I hit maintenance. I only made it about half way up the dosage chart before I had to back off due to losing too rapidly (!!). I took a 3 month maintenance and am back to losing again, it's been life changing.

The other wild thing is general health improvement - all of my bloodwork has gone from questionable to better than standard - closer to ideal values than I would ever expect. Liver values, cholesterol, lipids, blood pressure, everything. I expected them to improve but not to the degree that they have, my LDL has gone down by 60%. Actuarial tables say it's given me another ~10 years of probable lifespan, and even more if you think in healthspan.

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Post by throwaway173738 »

overgard wrote: post #622
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I don't think it's natural (in the sense of defining health) for adequate homeostasis to require special rituals and constant attention.

To be fair, 12 step programs would be a counter argument. The maintenance of homeostasis requires constant attention in those programs. You could say overeating is different from other addictions, and I would agree, but there are a lot of similarities too..

One might argue that homeostasis is, itself, a kind of attention that our bodies pay. Maybe by consciously changing our habits we can change our set points. In certainly way more aware of how full I actually am 3 weeks into hitting a 2000 calorie a day diet.

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Post by jaggederest »

vladgur wrote: post #654
rootusrootus wrote: post #614

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I don't know that there's a consensus on what the limit really is. Semaglutide is good for about 15%, tirzepatide about 20%, and retatrutide about 25%. Some people don't get that much, some people get a lot more. Personally, tirzepatide got me just over 35%. I never got anywhere near max dose, either, I am what is colloquially referred to as a super responder.

Sorry for personal questions please answer any OR none as you feel comfortable 1) How is your energy/stamina following the 35% loss 2) Have you done any dexascans/bodyspecs to measure your lean mass percentage before and after your loss 3) Did you take any steps to reduce the muscle loss? 4) with 35% loss, what BMI are you at?

Not the original guy, but down 32%, for a point of comparison:

1) Amazing, like being a decade and a half younger

2) Not before, planning one in the next couple months, but I use skinfold and impedance and they say I've dropped from about 48% to ~20% as I've dropped from 272 to 186, lean mass seems maybe 5kg lower than I started with? Less lean mass loss than I expected.

3) Weight bearing exercise and medium-high protein intake (>80g/d)

4) Per above, starting BMI 37.9 -> ending BMI 25.9

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Post by amrocha »

pixl97 wrote: post #642
calpaterson wrote: post #82

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> fruit is significantly more expensive than snacks This is a commonly repeated claim but it's usually not true. Fruit is, in fact, pretty cheap: In the US, bananas average $1.68/kilo: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings... A kilo is usually ~6 bananas. So a banana costs maybe 28c on average. Find a cost-competitive ultra-processed snack for the calories and satiety that a banana provides. He…

This leaves out spoilage. Fruit is a pain in the ass to get enough of without running out before the next shopping trip or having it rot. I think a lot of people that say quickly perishable items are cheap shop every few days and buy in small quantities.

Yes, that’s how you should live if you want to be healthy. If the place where you live doesn’t allow that, then you’re sacrificing your health to live there.

That’s your choice at the end of the day, but don’t make excuses for why you choose to eat garbage all day.

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Post by napkinartist »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #354
napkinartist wrote: post #262

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I don't think you understand the situation the parent is describing. Golf is a luxury. Baking one's own bread is a huge luxury. For a lot of people, finding the time to do either (let alone the financial outlay) is impossible. You want to tell single parent working two jobs in an apartment that's moldy to "try playing golf. Read more!"?

No, I want to tell that parent to spend the hour they use scrolling TikTok to do literally anything else, it'll improve their life. I understand my experience is not typical, but there are many things besides "junk media" that are not cost prohibitive.

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Post by napkinartist »

zobzu wrote: post #364
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I don't think you understand the situation the parent is describing. Golf is a luxury. Baking one's own bread is a huge luxury. For a lot of people, finding the time to do either (let alone the financial outlay) is impossible. You want to tell single parent working two jobs in an apartment that's moldy to "try playing golf. Read more!"?

it really doesnt have to be golf though lol. its all just excuses. i worked minimum wage (actual minimum mind you, no tips, nothing) for about 7 years and i didn't get obese, must be magic. my hobbies included waking and running around, making stuff on an old laptop (I kept that one!), reading, making planes out of whatever material i could get my hands on that sort of stuff. i ate pasta, eggs, rice, water, tomatos.…

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Post by stinkbeetle »

array_key_first wrote: post #532
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I grew up in a poor neighborhood. Busy doing what, exactly? This comment is so out of touch it must be a joke right? At least I hope so. Far more time was spent in front of the TV than any other activity by far by my peers and their families. Moving to a more middle class area opened my eyes in how many other options people had to do with their time, and how much time and effort was spent maintaining their lifestyles…

Well, uh, working. The less you make per hour of work means the more hours you need to maintain a normal standard of living. Obviously there's variance in standards of living, but wealthier people don't typically work two or three jobs. Poor people do, I've met people who do. The reality is that at 12 dollars an hour, 40 hours is just not gonna cut it. And it's a little more complicated than even just that. Another r…

Poor obese people aren't working so much they don't have time to cook.

And using numbers to support that idea doesn't work, it actually goes against you. A small (much smaller than most obese people will eat in one sitting) fast food meal costs about an hour of minimum wage! Buying stable calories in cereals where the time to buy and cook them can be amortized into many more servings can be amortized is actually cheaper and also takes less time.

In the US, obesity rates rise as income drops, but it continues to rise beyond the point at which income drops below a full time federal minimum wage income.

It's over-eating and under-exercising. I know this is hard for certain ideologies to accept because it means obesity is not inflicted upon victims against their will and beyond their control. If you really need to minimize their agency and responsibility for their choices you can call it addiction to food and addiction to sedentary lifestyle if it helps.

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Post by riffraff »

subpixel wrote: post #551

> It's insane to me that so many people need these to get off the processed foods killing them in the US The American diet is insane, full stop. However, I've just begun a GLP-1 regimen to address a willpower problem, not a nutritional problem. I'm not quite young anymore and have given lots of other approaches a shot over the years, but have persistently failed to achieve a weight that is not a threat to my health.…

Congrats and good luck!

If I may ask, do you think you will be able to cope with the lack of willpower once you stop taking the drug?

I don't want to sound dismissive or argumentative, I'm asking out of pure curiosity, forgive me if I sound negative, I'm rooting for people who try to improve their health.

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Post by quesomaster9000 »

mh2266 wrote: post #683
quesomaster9000 wrote: post #606

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Not GLP-1, but moved onto an OMAD diet which is essentially a 23hr daily fast with nothing but neat espresso, cigarettes and water in between - although occasionally I have a small treat or sugary drink. But now I eat almost exclusively at restaurants and enjoy it, and overall it's cheaper than cooking at home given wastage with many ingredients and desire for variety. I do eat very simply though, usually south & eas…

cigarettes are an explicit part of the diet...?

Tackle one addiction at a time a wise sage once said to me.
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