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Backing up Spotify
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#692Earlier quoted context omitted.
At the end of the day it feels like the private trackers are such a nightmare to get invited to and maintain ratio at it’s just not worth the effort. I want this torrent though. It would be fun to stand up a NAS for this.
The private trackers are just as much about the community as they are about the content they host. Of course there are trade offs because communities can be very insular. I’ve noticed in the past 10 years or so private trackers have become less strict because the economics of ratios only works if either a) everyone is equally uploading new material and b) there are more and more signups. So now there is value in the…
Generally speaking, trackers that require a ratio above 1.0 and don't have freeleech/point system are designed so that you pay the website to fix your ratio and/or rent a seedbox from one of their partner.
It's a 0 sum game; for every account with a >1.0 ratio, that implies other people will be And when you compete with 10gb/s seedboxes that have scripts to automatically grab all the new torrent the second they get posted, it's extremely difficult to improve your ratio. Even for super popular torrents, you have a few minutes to seed as much as you can before upload speed goes to 0 forever. You can't slowly accumulate upload over time the same way you would with a torrent from a public tracker.
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#693Does the Spotify backup contain any so far grayed out or unavailable songs on their list?
I'm a music archivist & preservationist, I've archived and found several formerly lost or on the verge of becoming lost albums, EPs, and Singles, and I've been wondering if the backup of Spotify so far, even with the available info, contain any taken down, region limited, or no longer available songs?
any response is appreciated!
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#694Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder how many premium accounts Anna’s Archive had to use to scrape the whole thing. Surely Spotify has scrape protection and wouldn’t allow a single account to stream (download) millions of separate tracks.
I have a feeling they didn't use premium accounts since they downloaded at 160kbit/s, which is the highest quality that free accounts can get. Premium gets 320kbit/s (or lossless)
to use this method of scraping, logging in with a premium account is required.
so either they found a way around that lock, but not the quality lock, or they just decided 160k is good enough (it generally is), and decided to stick with that for filesize & bandwidth savings
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#695The data analysis here is interesting. One thing that stood out to me is that black metal is the 6th most common musical genre for bands, right after rockabilly. I would never have expected that.
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#696Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess is a large portion of the psytrance music is slop, whether AI or some other form of auto-generation.
lol. Where is all this anti-psytrance hate coming from? Are you people actually that childish that you don't understand the concept of taste, and that everyones' is different? People who have like different music than you aren't stupid. Electronic musicians aren't bad musicians. You know that nice feeling you get when you listen to music from your preferred composer/artist/genre? Other people feel exactly the same, b…
lol. Where did I say I hate psytrance?
In fact, I have a fairly sizeable collection of trance music on my NAS, mainly more mainstream stuff, but some is psytrance.
It's unreasonable to assume psytrance would organically occupy such a large portion of top Spotify songs.
TLDR; just because I think large number of Spotify psytrance songs are AI generated, doesn't mean I hate psytrance. Only childish people would think that.
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#697Earlier quoted context omitted.
for me its the arms trade. Daniel Ek pours spotify wealth into next gen miltech. sometimes I worry that I don't know what music means to other people but I am certain that to me it is antithetical to war culture.
I feel like Ek receives a disproportional amount of hate for this. You have all these American CEO's pouring their investments in the American war machine (Palantir, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, etc) and no one bats an eye. Is it because this time it's going to a European company?
No, it's because Spotify is a consumer facing brand that people interact with daily and are aware of even if they don't use it. Also they're notorious for not paying artists well.
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#698Earlier quoted context omitted.
(a) you can’t directly upload to Spotify. You need an intermediary in the shape of a distributor. Whether that’s a label or a DIY platform like DistroKid. (b) Spotify introduced a threshold of 1000 streams before they pay anything. This disincentivises low quality warbling autotuned ditties as they are unlikely to pass that threshold. (It’s more nuanced - you don’t just need 1000 streams from a handful of accounts as…
There is a pretty interesting open source music AI named ACE-Step. Currently its quality is at about the Stable Diffusion 1.0 level, and they'll release a new version soon (hopefully in January).
That’s very interesting, thank you! Do you have any info on how it compares to Suno/Udio etc? I don’t know if you saw the news about Anna’s Archive having effectively scraped the majority of the Spotify library. It will be very interesting to see how this impacts on the next generation of generative models for music. Any thoughts there?
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#699Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is factually true though, music piracy DID drop once ad supported music streaming became available, the opposite is also true, video/movie piracy is now on the rise due to the amount of streaming subscriptions one has to juggle and their rising prices. Ofcourse there will always be those who yearn for the pirates life, but the vast majority just do it for convenience.
I don't even know the last time I pirated music. Gotta be at least 10 years. Meanwhile, I pirate movies/TV on a regular basis for the reasons you gave. At one point, I was subbed to 5 services, and decided enough was enough. Cancelled all but Netflix and went back to torrenting anything they didn't have.
I've used spotify for a decade. But the other day I opened one of my playlists and noticed that almost all the songs were greyed out as "unavailable" despite a quick search showing those songs still existed.
Spotify rotted my playlists because it didn't feel like updating a database row somewhere when some licensing agreement got updated. Apple will do the opposite: Rot your music collection by replacing songs with "identical" songs that aren't at all.
So I'm thinking it's time to buy music again.
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#700This is insane. I definitely was not aware Spotify DRM had been cracked to enable downloading at scale like this. The thing is, this doesn't even seem particularly useful for average consumers/listeners, since Spotify itself is so convenient, and trying to locate individual tracks in massive torrent files of presumably 10,000's of tracks each sounds horrible. But this does seem like it will be a godsend for researche…
Flippant response: If it's ok for Meta for commercial use, why not for researchers for legitimate research work? More serious response: research is explicitly included in fair use protections in US copyright law. News organizations regularly use leaked / stolen copyrighted material in investigative journalism.
Because the laws are there to protect people with money from people who don't have money.