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Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by [deleted] »

dweinus wrote: post #641
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #536

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> This is the hill you want to die on? That being a bigot should be a protected status for CEOs? That is a wildly uncharitable take. I'm not OP, but I believe that nobody , CEOs or otherwise, should be fired for their activities outside of work. That can be political beliefs, but doesn't have to be either. And yes, that means that sometimes someone whose beliefs you find repugnant is going to have a good job. That is…

So Subway should bring back Jared and Jello should bring back Cosby? Freedom is not a one-way street that guarantees the right to be awful without social consequences.

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Post by renewiltord »

Cpoll wrote: post #681
renewiltord wrote: post #521

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I suspect then it doesn't matter whether Mozilla kills itself or not. You should be fine with the current release of Firefox. Maybe you'd lose the installer, so all you have to do is put it somewhere safe and you're good.

> all I want is bug fixes and security updates.

Yes yes, I don't want updates. I just want updates. haha.

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #658
throwaway613745 wrote: post #300

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I have used Firefox as my default browser through thick and thin for damn near two decades. If Mozilla killed andblocking extensions I’d switch to Helium Browser in a heartbeat since they’re maintaining manifest v2 support for uBO and even ship it OOTB. The web is unusable without a proper Adblock.

"The web is unusable without a proper Adblock" Unusable for the commenter perhaps, based on his choices, but not unusable in an absolute sense For example, I have been using the web without an adblock for several decades.^1 I see no ads Adblocking is only necessary when one uses a popular graphical web browser When I use an HTTP generator and a TCP client then no "adblock" is necessary When I use a text-only browser…

Original web clients were not designed for (today's) ads. Graphics were optional. There was no Javascript

I even still use the original line mode browser and other utilties in the 1995 w3c-libwww from time to time

The "modern" protocols are handled by the local forward proxy not the client

TLS1.3, HTTP/2, QUIC, etc.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by legacynl »

jrflowers wrote: post #682
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Firefox on Android mobile is also useful because it allows extensions - especially uBlock Origin (UBO), Ghostery, No script, etc. Some mobile browsers (e.g., Samsung Internet) used to allow extensions also, but they've become crap or dropped such support, so their usage has fallen. I like Firefox (for safety) and Vivaldi (Chromium browser, it's easier to use) on Android mobile. On iOS, Safari is simple and sufficient…

>On iOS, Safari is simple and sufficient, but I would prefer UBO there, however we all know Apple will never allow extensions for Safari. fwiw Safari on iOS does allow some extensions and uBlock Origin Lite is free in the iOS App Store.

ublock origin lite is the knee-capped version that is also available in chrome. I haven't tried it, but it is technically not able to block all ads.

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Post by breve »

saubeidl wrote: post #176

It feels like the only reasonable path forward would be for the EU to buy Mozilla and fund it as a public resource. Capital extraction is fundamentally opposed to user freedom. If we want an open web, we, the people need to be maintaining it and not rely on MBA types to do it for us.

> It feels like the only reasonable path forward would be for the EU to buy Mozilla

Why would they need to buy Mozilla? Just fork Firefox and go from there.

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Post by array_key_first »

swiftcoder wrote: post #663
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Maybe, maybe not. It's getting dangerously close to the modern day IE, where some websites just don't work right and everyone has to do arcane shit to make their websites cross platform. It's also a closed source browser developed by Apple. It's not competing with Firefox. Everyone contemplating switching to safari over Firefox are not being honest - they're not even on the same playing field.

> It's getting dangerously close to the modern day I.E. This line gets thrown around a lot, but if you look at the supported features, Safari is honestly pretty up-to-date on the actual ratified web standards. What it doesn't tend to do is implement a bunch of the (often ad-tech focused) drafts Google keeps trying to push through the standards committee

I would agree, except for CSS. You still see checks for webkit in CSS fairly regularly.

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Post by parliament32 »

JoeJonathan wrote: post #226
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The interpretation is not the problem. Whether he will do it, is actually secondary to the fact that he thinks cutting adblock can bringing in money. No, it will just kill the browser. The fact he thinks otherwise tells me how out of touch he is.

Like many others, the ability to run uBO is the main reason I use Firefox. Otherwise I'd use Chrome or Safari.

uBO works fine in Edge too.

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Post by LexiMax »

graeme wrote: post #599
pavel_lishin wrote: post #468

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I don't know, if the CEO of some software I used suddenly came out as anti-miscegenation, and started donating money to the cause, I'd stop using the software until the CEO was fired too.

Where this analogy breaks is that at the time (2008), Eich's position had majority support in the US. The proposition he wad funding passed with majority support. Mixed marriages by contrast had overwhelming support in 2008. Eich didn't suddenly come out against anything in 2014. People dug up his prior funding. Demanding permanent ostracization for supporting a majority position is fairly anti-democratic. You can be…

This is a non-sequitur. He didn't donate because it was the popular thing to do, he donated because it was consistent with his religious beliefs.

Christianity has never been a popularity contest. It has steadfastness in the face of rejection and martyrdom in the face of oppression baked into its fundamental fabric, borne from its oppression as a minority religion in the first centuries of its existence.

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Post by saubeidl »

breve wrote: post #695
saubeidl wrote: post #176

It feels like the only reasonable path forward would be for the EU to buy Mozilla and fund it as a public resource. Capital extraction is fundamentally opposed to user freedom. If we want an open web, we, the people need to be maintaining it and not rely on MBA types to do it for us.

> It feels like the only reasonable path forward would be for the EU to buy Mozilla Why would they need to buy Mozilla? Just fork Firefox and go from there.

I suppose they could, but I'm assuming Mozilla has quite a few experts on the code base that could come in handy.

Maybe just try to poach them?

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Post by beloch »

glenstein wrote: post #510
beloch wrote: post #386

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The current pattern in software is, sadly: 1. Innovate 2. Dominate 3. Enshitify to cash in. You can't skip step #2. Right now, Firefox's market share is a rounding error compared to Chrome. Users are starting to switch away from Chrome because it's currently in step 3 (in spades). That trend will not continue if Firefox beats Chrome to the bottom of the pig-pen. Firefox's current focus on AI is concerning enough, but…

> Now that Google is yanking it Can you elaborate? Are they winding down their their participation in search licensing deals?

Looks like I was a little out of date.

https://itsfoss.com/news/mozilla-lifeline-is-safe/

Google pays Mozilla, basically to make Google the default search engine for everything in Firefox. Previously, it looked like an antitrust case was going to force them to stop doing that, but it didn't turn out that way.

Mozilla is still getting most of their money from Google and they shouldn't need to kneecap themselves to pay the rent. Still, you can't help but wonder what might happen if Firefox starts eating too much of Chrome's market share. Mozilla should be trying to branch out, but in a user friendly way.

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