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Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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This is completely false. They fired thousands of missiles directly at civilians. 60,000 people had to evacuate. The only reason they didn't kill thousands of people is because the Iron Dome system is so good.

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You mean except for all the ones Amnesty reported, and that children's soccer team in the Golan Heights.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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The Yom Kippur and Six Day war were instigated by Israel?

Yes. Those are downstream from The Balfour Agreement and Nakba.

That's nonsense, do you know what Nakba means?

And I don't mean it's modern reinterpretation

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How did you come up with that tally? Israel has refused to comply with requests from international investigators into the matter, likely because a lot of the casualties were due to IDF actions. I remember the footage of "that young German woman" but it is to me extremely peripheral and did a lot less of an impression than the thousands of images of destroyed baby bodies I've seen that were caused by the IDF. The crim…

Claiming the IDF killed all of these people is a truly despicable lie that destroys your credibility. On 7 October 2023, the al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of the Palestinian nationalist Islamist political organization Hamas, initiated a sudden attack on Israel from the Gaza Strip. As part of the attack, 378 people (344 civilians and 34 security personnel) were killed and many more wounded at the Supernova Suk…

I did not write "all of these people". I pointed out that the state of Israel has refused to provide conditions for an investigation of what happened, and instead it has mainly been the press and leaks to the press that have shed light on the issue.

What we have known for sure since then is that the IDF brought helicopters to the area where the festival was held and Hellfire:d generously, hence the large amount of burnt cars and the typical markings on asphalt roads and so on that are clearly visible in the early photos.

This and the use of tank artillery against inhabitants of the kibbutzim has caused several scandals in israeli politics and the opposition has been requesting thorough investigation for a long time by now. The IDF calls this policy of killing your own soldiers and civilians the Hannibal directive.

I've been following this genocidal colony for decades, every time they've been "mowing the lawn" as they call it there is a massive amount of imagery of murdered kids coming out of the Gaza strip. The reason you think I'm lying is that you haven't been paying attention, and this is probably also why you react so strongly to a single recording of palestinians parading Shani Louk. It might also just be that you're racist and deem israelis or zionists generally more human than the people they are exterminating.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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For one it wasn't targeted, but either way, if it, as you claim, was targeted then it would be even worse because it's worse to kill and maim kids by targeting them than by being indifferent.

How was this not targeted? I was the most targeted military operation we know of. Give me any example of anything in warfare that is close to that.

This was about as targeted as anti-personnel landmines, but spread out in civilian areas and detonated without any knowledge of their surroundings at the time.

Because mines are untargeted and designed to maim without discrimination as to who they might hurt there is a long running effort to prohibit their use.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Well, if that stops your thinking, maybe ponder the illegality of the israeli occupation of palestinian territory then. The israelis must withdraw their people from palestinian territories occupied in -67 and ought to pay reparations for both the occupation and destruction of property, as well as allow refugees to either return to their homes or pay reparations to them. Unless they do this immediately the internation…

After losing WW2 Germany lost about 25% of its land. When Israel was created by UN mandate the Palestinians were offered their own sovereign state, something they never had, but instead chose to try to destroy Israel to get all of the land. They lost and are never going to get that land back. Your entire comment is completely deranged.

In WWII Germany was the genocidal aggressor, in this case Israel and its backers are the genocidal aggressors.

Punishing a state for genocidal aggression is quite a bit more reasonable than the might is right-ideology you subscribe to.

The palestinians have a right to statehood and self-determination, it's not something they need to be "offered". They also have a right to return to their homelands, and they have a right to oppose occupation, violently if they so choose.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Close to a hundred thousand israelis were evacuated from the north at the peak of it. Out of thousands of attacks something like 45 israeli civilians were killed, like when the IDF brought civilians to repair power lines and Hezbollah attacked them. More IDF soldiers were killed between October 2023 and the so called ceasefire agreement, which makes it quite clear that Hezbollah practiced restraint in this regard. I…

"Hezbollah did not do enough to protect civilians" What an insane statement. Hezbollah was intentionally trying to kill as many civilians as possible with the missiles. The only reason they "only" killed 45 is because Israel has invested so much into the Iron Dome system. Hezbollah isn't a political party. It is a proxy army of Iran. That is why they started shooting missiles at Israel after Oct 7 2023 even though it…

No, they did not. They also mainly used munitions that fly low and escape the israeli air defenses, which is why most of their targets were close to the border.

Hezbollah is a movement that is many things, among them one of the dominant parties in lebanese parliamentary politics. The name means 'Party of God', which is a hint. They also run hospitals, schools and other social services, as well as financial organisations. Due to the background as a militant mobilisation against israeli aggression they also have several armed factions, which is a very reasonable response to their southern neighbour.

Nasrallah and other Hezbollah leaders stated that they initiated militant action against Israel to support the palestinians and clearly expected it to shorten the genocidal campaign in the Gaza strip. As we now know, this strategy failed and Hezbollah misjudged the bloodthirst of israeli society as well as the degree of backing it would have from the US and european states. They should not have wasted time on a restrained attrition style campaign and instead acted more forcefully if they wanted to slow or halt the extermination of the palestinians.

As for Nasrallah, he is surely missed by many but he also spent his life expecting and preparing for martyrdom.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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How was this not targeted? I was the most targeted military operation we know of. Give me any example of anything in warfare that is close to that.

This was about as targeted as anti-personnel landmines, but spread out in civilian areas and detonated without any knowledge of their surroundings at the time. Because mines are untargeted and designed to maim without discrimination as to who they might hurt there is a long running effort to prohibit their use.

No, the messengers were specifically delivered to Hezbollah leadership. It is not even closely comparable.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Close to a hundred thousand israelis were evacuated from the north at the peak of it. Out of thousands of attacks something like 45 israeli civilians were killed, like when the IDF brought civilians to repair power lines and Hezbollah attacked them. More IDF soldiers were killed between October 2023 and the so called ceasefire agreement, which makes it quite clear that Hezbollah practiced restraint in this regard. I…

Restrained? Do you know why Hezbollah exists? This is just ridiculous propaganda...

Yes. They formed as a militia to protect Lebanon against israeli invasion, because the relevant colonial powers did not allow the lebanese state to build enough of an army to protect its borders.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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there is no classified idf data of 83% civilian casualty rate. there is data that idf can identify by name 17% of casualties as hamas/etc member. if there are 10 people with machine guns and rpg and you blow them up with a bomb, they don't become civilians just because you don't know their names

Seems some say even the named may be fabricated: >> Sources within the Israeli intelligence community cited in the report raised concerns about how deaths were categorized, with one source claiming people were sometimes "promoted to the rank of terrorist after their death" in the database. <<

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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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there is no classified idf data of 83% civilian casualty rate. there is data that idf can identify by name 17% of casualties as hamas/etc member. if there are 10 people with machine guns and rpg and you blow them up with a bomb, they don't become civilians just because you don't know their names

The IDF did not dispute this, so unclear why you are.

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