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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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You should maybe read some articles about modern situations where people dodged conscription before assuming what is practical today. The average person who hasn't thought about it for a week is certainly in trouble but..

Why is the solution to avoiding conscription being able to hide rather than making the conscription not happen in the first place?

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What actions are being taken against legal immigrants and naturally born citizens? Are you referring to getting arrested and released due to some suspicion (let’s say the suspicion is always fabricated for the sake of argument), or deported, or something else? On due process, if someone accidentally gets a free flight to a foreign country, that totally sucks and they should be paid compensation, but let’s not pretend…

> On due process, if someone accidentally gets a free flight to a foreign country, that totally sucks and they should be paid compensation, but let’s not pretend that deportation is the same as what authoritarian regimes typically do. Are you being facetious, or do you genuinely think so lightly of people being black bagged with no due process and deported to a random country that you'll joke about it being a "free f…

The way I think about this is, let’s say a lot of Americans are moving to Switzerland illegally by overstaying their visas. If I went along with that group, I would not be surprised to be deported by force. If I went there legally and got caught up in a raid or something, or even targeted personally because I sound American, and I get locked up for a bit and then sent back to America on an airplane, would I be upset? Absolutely I would be, that would be a terrible experience. But at the same time, I would understand that a lot of my countrymen are breaking Swiss law and the Swiss have to do something about it, and I can see why it might be hard to not make any mistakes. It would probably make me not want to go back to Switzerland.

Is that not a valid take? Does it not apply somehow? If I put myself in their shoes, that is how I feel.

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> How is it a permission system? It's a way to prove your identity safely, online. Can someone revoke your ability to prove your identity? To pick an example, say, the far right wins an election and decides that trans people need to go back to their birth genders, and revokes the validity for the identifiers of anyone that has transitioned.

This has already happened without digital ID ?

Sounds like a wonderful argument for centralizing it and making it a single button that a bureaucrat has to push.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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The article mentions blocking phones with stolen IMEI's, but iirc that's mostly up to telecom network providers to block rather than some "app". Also doesn't Apple have their own locking technology?

In short, the arguments for this seems to stink?

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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I used to think like that. Now in my country we have a president who would use that to deport or target political opponents, track people who criticize Israel, etc. You can never put the genie back in the bottle and you never know who will be in charge in 20 years

Yeah but the US was never a full democracy. Part of the problem with the US is that the president has way too much power to begin with. If trump was elected prime minister of Sweden, he wouldn't have been able to do half the stuff he's done.

There are many examples of democracies backsliding.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Did you mean to reply to someone else? No one is claiming the US government is doing less terrible things than the Indian government.

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I very much am not. If I point out that bombing a wedding with no terrorists is awful that does not mean I think bombing a civilian building hosting a wedding that terrorists are actually using as a base is great, even if most people would find the later more justifiable (i.e. more justifiable doesn't mean justified).

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It is the most unpopular speech which is at the greatest risk of being censored, and so there is it also the best place to hold the line on free speech. If you don't defend the right to say racist things, then you've already conceded the fight for free speech and are now just negotiating your surrender.

Again, missing my point. I'm generally in favor of free speech, so your argument is not new to me. It's also not relevant to what I said, since you missed the point. Also, you think racism is unpopular?

Racism will get you fired from virtually any company in America, thrown out of virtually any business or school, etc. If you don't think it's deeply unpopular then I don't know what to tell you. It is the speech which is closest to being outright banned everywhere. It already is in most developed countries, probably most of the developing ones too (at least on paper), America stands out as one place it remains technically legal even though it will get you blacklisted from almost everywhere. The only reason it's still legal here is because the first ammendment is unusually strong. Chip away at it, and I guarantee you'll lose more than you're bargaining for.

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Have you even been to Ukraine lately? you can walk on the streets of Kyiv and there is so many men walking on the streets without getting picked up. I've been walking the street as a man and and from the looks of it you can't tell if I'm a foreigner or a Ukrainian and I never been stopped and they never tried to conscript me. Do some people get conscripted in Ukraine and Russia? Sure. But it's just an exaggeration cl…

>Do some people get conscripted in Ukraine and Russia? Sure. It's not that they get conscripted that's the problem, it's that people are being chased and violently thrown into vans of the street without any kind of warning or check of conscription status beforehand, Which I argued is proof the government doesn't need any kind of digital ID to oppress you.. There's video evidence of such events online, check X and Tel…

you are russian right so I doubt you been in Ukraine lately and you just get your knowledge from Russian propaganda. I bet you can't name a single person that been kidnapped of the streets.

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There are downsides with it since you are at the mercy of the corporation that owns the Swedish Digital ID. ny services trying to use this Swedish digital ID who these banks don't like can be cut off at any point and you are not allowed to provide alternative logins so it's only allowed to use digital ID if you use it.

> you are not allowed to provide alternative logins I can't speak for Sweden but that is not true in Norway where we also use BankID (I'm not sur but I think it originated in Norway).

It's true for Sweden and Norway. BankID is owned by the banks in both countries. Both charge money from sites and orgs that use it.

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So what is your plan on dealing with wikipedia? I accessed porn in 2011 when I was 11. I played Postal 2 when I was 10. But no English skills at that age means not much came out of that game at that time except cat silencers. How many kids these days play 18+ rated games?

> So what is your plan on dealing with wikipedia? Im not sure I understand. Are you saying wikipedia has porn?

Yes. Not necessarily on any pages. Go to the commons and search with some obvious keywords.
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