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Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by jdyer9 »

ukuina wrote: post #538
logankilpatrick wrote: post #419

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First off, apologies for the bad first impression, the team is pushing super hard to make sure it is easy to access these models. - On permission issue, not sure I follow the flow that got you there, pls email me more details if you are able too and happy to debug: Lkilpatrick@google.com - On overall friction for billing: we are working on a new billing experience built right into AI Studio that will make it super ea…

Congrats on the move to Google! Please allow me to rant to someone who can actually do something about this. Vertex AI has been a nightmare to simply sign up, link a credit card, and start using Claude Sonnet (now available on Vertex AI). The sheer number of steps required for this (failed) user journey is dizzying: * AI Studio, get API key * AI Studio, link payment method: Auto-creates GCP property, which is nice *…

Oh man, I've been playing with GCP's vertex AI endpoints, and this is so representative of my experience. It's actually bananas how difficult it is, even compared to other GCP endpoints

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by csallen »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #366
csallen wrote: post #188

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I think we're overreacting. Digital fakes will proliferate, and we'll freak out bc it's new. But after a certain amount of time, we'll just get used to it and realize that the world goes on, and whatever major adverse effects actually aren't that difficult to deal with. Which is not the case with nuclear proliferation or things like that. The story of human history is newer generations freaking about progress and nov…

I think the long term effect will be that photos and videos no longer have any evidentiary value legally or socially, absent a trusted chain of custody.

Yes exactly. And this is kind of already played out with text. The printing press came out, literacy increased. Suddenly anyone could write anything and sign anybody else's name to it. There was a trust crisis. Nowadays, we've just gotten used to it and we look at where text came from instead of just what text says.

For example, I'd rather read a tweet from Paul Graham's account than read a screenshot of a Paul Graham tweet that a stranger emailed to me. In the latter case, the source makes me suspicious, so then I go to a more trusted source, e.g. a reputable news organization, or PG's actually X account.

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emp17344 wrote: post #513
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Seems like you're making a judgment based on your own experience, but as another commenter pointed out, it was wrong. There are plenty of us out there who would confirm, because people are too flawed to trust. Humans double/triple check, especially under higher stakes conditions (surgery). Heck, humans are so flawed, they'll put the things in the wrong eye socket even knowing full well exactly where they should go -…

“People are too flawed to trust”? You’ve lost the plot. People are trusted to perform complex tasks every single minute of every single day, and they overwhelmingly perform those tasks with minimal errors.

Extremely talented, studied, hard working humans perform complex tasks all the time, and never with 100% win rate over all time.

In other examples, almost every single person has had the experience of saying, "turn right", "oh I meant left sorry, I knew it was right too, I don't know why I said left". Even the most sophisticated humans have made this error. A computer would never.

Humans are deeply flawed and after pre-selection require expensive training to perform complex tasks at a never perfect success rate.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by andrepd »

jamiek88 wrote: post #683
andrepd wrote: post #637

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Yep, no need for actual urbanism or to worry about the homeless, now governments and realtors can lie to you more conveniently and at an industrial scale! Yay future

And one day we’ll wear glasses that do the same! Then we can solve (ignore) all problems!

Tuning Black Mirror into reality, one episode at a time.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by logankilpatrick »

brandon272 wrote: post #424
logankilpatrick wrote: post #419

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First off, apologies for the bad first impression, the team is pushing super hard to make sure it is easy to access these models. - On permission issue, not sure I follow the flow that got you there, pls email me more details if you are able too and happy to debug: Lkilpatrick@google.com - On overall friction for billing: we are working on a new billing experience built right into AI Studio that will make it super ea…

Just a note that your HN bio says "Developer Relations @OpenAI"

okay fine updated my bio : )

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by logankilpatrick »

__alexs wrote: post #639
logankilpatrick wrote: post #419

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First off, apologies for the bad first impression, the team is pushing super hard to make sure it is easy to access these models. - On permission issue, not sure I follow the flow that got you there, pls email me more details if you are able too and happy to debug: Lkilpatrick@google.com - On overall friction for billing: we are working on a new billing experience built right into AI Studio that will make it super ea…

When we first started using Gemini for a new product a few months ago you banned our entire GCP account from using at all Gemini in the middle of a demo to our board. Doesn't seem like things have improved all that much on the on boarding front.

if I can be of help, pls lmk, Lkilpatrick@google.com

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Post by logankilpatrick »

bayarearefugee wrote: post #472
asah wrote: post #463

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But then we'd complain about Google being a slow moving dinosaur. "Move fast and break things" cuts both ways ! (ex-Google tech lead, who took down the Google.com homepage... twice!)

Its not a new problem though, and its not just billing. The UI across Gemini just generally sucks (across AI Studio and the chat interfaces) and there's lots of annoying failure cases where Gemini will just timeout and stop working entirely midrequest. Been like this for quite a while, well before Gemini 3. So far I continue to put up with it because I find the model to be the best commercial option for my usage, but…

The Gemini app UI has gotten much better in the last few months and a huge amount of other work underway to make it even better!

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Post by logankilpatrick »

risyachka wrote: post #502
asah wrote: post #463

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But then we'd complain about Google being a slow moving dinosaur. "Move fast and break things" cuts both ways ! (ex-Google tech lead, who took down the Google.com homepage... twice!)

We are talking here about the most basic things- nothing AI related. Basic billing. The fact that it is not working says a lot about the future of the product and company culture in general (obviously they are not product-oriented)

We made the bet 2 years ago to build AI Studio on top of the Google Cloud infra. One of the real challenges is that Google is extremely global, we support devs in hundreds of countries with dozens of different billing methods and the like. I wish the problem space was simple but on the first day I joined Google we kicked off the efforts to make sure we could bring billing into AI Studio, so January cannot come soon enough : )

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Post by logankilpatrick »

vessenes wrote: post #478
logankilpatrick wrote: post #419

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First off, apologies for the bad first impression, the team is pushing super hard to make sure it is easy to access these models. - On permission issue, not sure I follow the flow that got you there, pls email me more details if you are able too and happy to debug: Lkilpatrick@google.com - On overall friction for billing: we are working on a new billing experience built right into AI Studio that will make it super ea…

Oh man, there is so, so much pain here. Random example - if GOOGLE_GENAI_USE_VERTEXAI=true in your environment, woe betide you if you're trying to use gemini cli with an API key. Error messages don't match up with actual problems, you'll be told to log in using the cli auth for google, then you'll be told your API keys have no access.. It's just a huge mess. I still don't really know if I'm using a vertex API key or…

in the core Gemini API, we have a huge error code refactor to make sure it is as intuitive as humanly possible.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by logankilpatrick »

arendtio wrote: post #679
logankilpatrick wrote: post #419

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First off, apologies for the bad first impression, the team is pushing super hard to make sure it is easy to access these models. - On permission issue, not sure I follow the flow that got you there, pls email me more details if you are able too and happy to debug: Lkilpatrick@google.com - On overall friction for billing: we are working on a new billing experience built right into AI Studio that will make it super ea…

Since 3 days I am trying to get a login to Antigravity and first there was trouble with an api now all I get is 'Your current account is not eligible for Antigravity. Try signing in with another personal Google account'. Even though it is verified and in a supported region...

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