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Re: Sora 2

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Post by mac-mc »

mscbuck wrote: post #505

I can't help but see these technologies and think of Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park. My boss sends me complete AI Workslop made with these tools and he goes "Look how wild this is! This is the future" or sends me a youtube video with less than a thousand views of a guy who created UGC with Telegram and point and click tools. I don't ever think he ever takes a beat, looks at the end product, and asks himself, "who is…

It's a fairly useful tool if you know how to use it. People will also play with it as a toy. It's much like the masses getting access to cheap video cameras and smartphones with good cameras. It's going to enable different content, it's not going to make more hollywood movies. This is an early example of what people will make: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBwluRXtS2U . It's just one person making all of this on the side.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by jrflowers »

wilg wrote: post #576
jrflowers wrote: post #525

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I like this reasoning. If a thing doesn’t exist, and doesn’t cause a problem, then when it does exist it won’t cause a problem. Like for example people died in wars before the invention of the machine gun, therefore machine guns didn’t really kill a significant number of people.

While I'm glad you had fun crafting an annoying reply, that's not analogous to what I said.

Your point was either that the fake video of a guy doing a backflip is the same thing as the invention of the radio or that if something bad is happening, nothing that happens can make it worse. Or somehow video generation software would have solved fascism in advance by previously not existing, which is proof that it is now good.

The first two are very smart but if you were talking plainly about the outcomes of time travel paradoxes I apologize for missing that

Re: Sora 2

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Post by dsign »

raincole wrote: post #547
morleytj wrote: post #496

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Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

Your comment makes me think that we have criminalized and squashed entertaining but obviously political writing out of existence :-) .

Say that somebody writes to make certain ideas more visible. For example, somebody wants people to buy the idea that amusing oneself to death is what we do (the book you mentioned). Somebody else perhaps has found that we are chronically depressed and cynic, when instead we should be thinking that a dead death itself is a fine trophy to hang on the wall during the march of progress[^1].

You can a) decide that you are set on your ways, thus entertainment should be pure and removed enough from reality so it doesn't mess with your deeply held beliefs and not read any of those books. or b) run the risk and read the thing with an open mind.

A lot of people are in the a) camp. Those who are in the b) camp would still like to be entertained a little.

[^1] Yours truly. I do that in fiction. https://www.ouzu.im/

Re: Sora 2

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Post by eru »

ipaddr wrote: post #681
eru wrote: post #639

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I'm not sure you need a 'breakthrough', just many incremental improvements will do the trick. We are also getting better at producing cheap power. For example thanks to intermittent sources like solar and wind, in many places electricity often becomes free in wholesale markets some times of the day. AI generation (including video) currently takes at least a second, and users expect that delay. So that means inference…

We are not getting better at producing cheaper power as the cost has increased per hour a lot over the last 50 years. But we are generating more power from different sources that are cleaner. Power needs to be given away or people paid to take it is more of a function of limited storage abilities and limited ability to scale down rather then generating unlimited power. The free power is an issue with how the system i…

> Power needs to be given away or people paid to take it is more of a function of limited storage abilities and limited ability to scale down rather then generating unlimited power.

There's no need to scale down solar or wind power.

Yes, storage is another way to make money from power prices that differ over time.

> [...] the cost has increased per hour a lot over the last 50 years.

Some sources of power, like solar, have been dropping in price a lot recently.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by citizenpaul »

latexr wrote: post #446
saguntum wrote: post #205

I wonder if they're going to license this to brands for heavily personalized advertisement. Imagine being able to see videos of yourself wearing clothes you're buying online before you actually place the order, instead of viewing them on a model. If they got the generation "live" enough, imagine walking past a mirror in a department store and seeing yourself in different clothes. Wild times.

At that point, why even buy the clothes? Influencers will just post the video of the mockup on social media, which is the only reason they were considering it in the first place. Save themselves the foot fungus. https://xcancel.com/Naija_PR/status/1904809073356251634 Then take the next step. Why even spend money going out? Generate a video of yourself with fake friends at a party and post that, while eating ice cream…

>Why even spend money going out? Generate a video of yourself with fake friends at a party and post that, while eating ice cream alone at home.

Hey don't be giving away my JOMO secrets.

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Post by mckn1ght »

Andrex wrote: post #630
mceachen wrote: post #610

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Don't worry, they will always have new Minecraft mobs and biomes to discuss.

Interesting idea, online gaming becoming the de facto new societal community meeting space.

Until games also become uniquely generative in realtime

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Post by citizenpaul »

echelon wrote: post #361
cyrialize wrote: post #263

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I'm fairly certain there is a scene in Minority Report just like this! Or at least, the advertisement says Tom Cruise's character's name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_(film)

In 2023, Carvana ran an ad campaign that showed you a video of "your car" thanking you and talking about your time together: https://adage.com/article/digital-marketing-ad-tech-news/car... A little creepy, but very much in this vein. We probably haven't even scratched the surface of what will be done with this tech. When video becomes "easy", "quick", "affordable", and "automatable" (something never before possible o…

Its still just video though. Its not a new type of media. My guess is it will play out same as self publishing on amazon. Ultra specific generas that monitize the infinite long tail.

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Post by sensanaty »

groggo wrote: post #504
morleytj wrote: post #496

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Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

It's pretty entertaining. People always like telling stories. Books, comic strips, movies, they're all just telling a story with a different amount of it left up to the viewer's imagination. Lowering the barrier to entry for this type of stuff is so cool. I think you have to be pretty pessimistic to not just think it's really cool. You can find issues with it for sure, and maybe argue that those issues outweigh the b…

This "barrier of entry" rhetoric reads like a pure buzzword dreamed up by AI pushers with no actual meaning to it. The barrier has NEVER been lower to produce books or comic strips or anything else like that. Hell, look at xkcd, there's nothing technically challenging about it, it's quite literally just stick figures, yet it's massively popular because it's clever and well thought out.

What exactly is this enabling, other than the mass generation of low quality, throwaway crap that exists solely to fatten up Altman's wallet some more?

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Post by danielscrubs »

newZWhoDis wrote: post #591
davidmurdoch wrote: post #589

I just asked GPT 5 to generate an image of as person. I then asked it to charge the color of their shirt. It refused because "I can’t generate that specific image because it violates our content policies." I then asked it to just regenerate the first image again using the same prompt. It replied "I know this has been frustrating. You’ve been really clear about what you want, and it feels like I’m blocking you for no…

We live in an absurd era where "AI Safety" means "AI that doesn't listen to the human telling it what to do". It'll all be rather funny in retrospect.

It will be funny if it isn’t social engineering.

But if we find it drifts further and further from the truth in cases of biases in news articles, image generation and others we will find ourselves bombarded with historical deviances where everyone can be nudged to anything.

All in the name of safety.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by astrange »

Nursie wrote: post #613
astrange wrote: post #608

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I live in the most expensive housing market in the world. That's because the value of the land under the houses is so high; the house itself is nothing special. But even then, it's mostly because of Prop 13, and it only works out if you live in the house yourself. There's still noone cornering the market in California houses. Almost all landlords only own 1-2 properties.

I live in Perth, Western Australia, and here 5-year price growth has topped 100% in some suburbs. Landlordism is an enormous money-spinner.

Until you have to replace a roof, or a tenant destroys the house, or it just doesn't rent for a while and nobody notices a water pipe breaking.

It's risky to own a lot of buildings, and worse the risks are correlated if they're all in the same place (there could be a flood or wildfire etc.)

Commercial real estate is different because your tenants are (more) professional.

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