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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by pyuser583 »

Aromasin wrote: post #525
vintermann wrote: post #492

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Something that I think normal, decent people don't appreciate enough: you can join an organization without believing a word of what it stands for. It's perfectly possible to just pretend. It doesn't take a ton of resources or a big coordinated conspiracy to join and betray an organization, it just takes a bit of self-confidence, or chutzpah. One person I believe knows this, is Keir Starmer. It's very hard to explain…

What one might contribute to malice can normally be attributed to ignorance. I think the political class in the UK is just completely bifurcated from the public (not as much as the Tories were, but more than I though Labour would be), such that every decision senior Labour leaders are making is lauded in progressively smaller circles they keep and they're oblivious to the reality of the situation. They just don't fee…

Labour thought it was a good idea to follow Corbyn. I don’t mean that an insult or a gotcha. But it was not a well thought out plan.

The part about only listening to their own think tanks is weird. Academia leans left. American conservatives are suspicious of advice not from their think-tanks, but that’s because it’s hostile territory. The Democrats treat the university/expert/consultant class as free labor.

I don’t mean to be critical of your country especially given who is running America. But we do watch, and it has an impact here. Fear of an American Corbyn is one reason Democrats aren’t veering left.

Also I don’t know if this is related, but the fact that the US is about to install Tony Blair to head Gaza should make you rethink Labour’s capacity for thought.

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Post by luke727 »

basisword wrote: post #623
sabellito wrote: post #582

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Are you arguing that people who are against this law and its implementation in the UK are against it because they're addicted to porn?

Yes. There are legitimate reasons to dislike the law, its implementation, or its impact on privacy. But 99% of people dislike it simply because they are heavily addicted to porn. The fact there have been much more privacy invasive laws introduced in the UK over the last decade which face little widespread outrage is the tell.

I think it's rather that OSA actually visibly affects people in their day-to-day lives whereas other laws don't. I constantly hit age verification pages on Reddit and Twitter and I don't use either for porn. I'm fundamentally against giving Reddit or Twitter or a 3rd party processor my ID just to view content someone somewhere deemed potentially harmful to minors. At least Twitter is done on a post-by-post basis; on Reddit entire subreddits are gated behind age verification.

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Post by SanjayMehta »

scott_w wrote: post #537
SanjayMehta wrote: post #489

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So your answer is “no.”

My answer is “do your own research.”

Unless you’ve been living under a rock for the last few decades, you would know that British Pakistani rape gangs have been shielded from prosecution.

This only changed recently.

FYI, the first documented such case is from 1973. Over 50 years of systematic abuse can only be hidden by a complicit establishment.

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Post by grayhatter »

bapak wrote: post #290
jobs_throwaway wrote: post #262

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Of course, I have a brain

I think GDPR absolutely makes sense. It's my data and you must delete it if I ask.

The GPDR is far more complicated than just that superficial example.

But I'm curious about how far you feel that assertion goes. Ignoring what the GPDR says exactly, how do you feel about the various examples?

I have http request logs from requests that you've made. Do I have to delete them when you ask?

You sent me an email, do I have to delete my copy?

I host an email service for me and a friend exclusively, you request that I delete your data, do I have to delete emails you sent to him as well?

You answered a long thread about an esoteric computing question, hypothetically under the name denvercoder9, do I have to delete that comment? What about the replies to it which quote you?

I have evidence that you committed a crime of some sort, do I have to delete that?

Someone else posted true information about you to my site intended to categorize comments to HN posts. It's someone else data about you, do I have to delete that when you ask?

What if the information is actually false?

Where should the line be drawn, and why?

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Post by nadermx »

otterley wrote: post #644
nadermx wrote: post #520

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The US does allow it. No one has tried it without trying to induce cipyright infrigment or following the DMCA properly. Also its hard and extremely expensive to defend yourself to prove it in a niche specifically where people are looking not to pay making it harder to montize to defend properly.

> No one has tried it without trying to induce cipyright [sic] infrigment or following the DMCA properly. Why do you think that is?

Because this is the only relevant case I can find or remember. "The MPAA had presented evidence showing that the majority of content linked to on IsoHunt was infringing content, that the search engine was tuned to assist users in finding infringing works, and that Fung himself had made remarks suggesting the purpose of the site was to allow users to download infringing content."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IsoHunt

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Post by BatteryMountain »

tim333 wrote: post #590
Koffiepoeder wrote: post #480

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Saying the internet is not a place for children is like saying the street is not for children. Full of drug dealers, cars and danger! Yet learning how to cross the street is an essential skill in life. They are also filled with flowers, pathways to playgrounds and much more. And that's why children are not forbidden on the streets. My point being: let's educate instead of regulate. "Regulating the children" is silly…

We do have laws to restrict the cars (speed limits) and drug dealers.

Is it the car that is speeding or the driver speeding it? Can the car or the road be taken to court?

Is it the knife that kills or person doing the stabbing? Or the knife maker? Can the knife be taken to court?

Is it $website allowing the children on it or the parents allowing them? Can the parents be taken to court?

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Post by BatteryMountain »

Aurornis wrote: post #617
BatteryMountain wrote: post #469

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Or, just ban children from the internet, same as gun ownership for 12yo's. Fine/imprison parents. This is a parenting problem, not a technical/business problem. Remove the supply of children and things will get better. A business cannot make laws or override laws with ToS and invent their own moral compasses - rather it is the sole responsibility of the parent on what their child gets exposed to (whether politics, po…

> imprison parents. I’m consistently shocked at how authoritarian and draconian HN comments can be. Throwing parents in prison if their 12 year old uses the internet? Jail them and send their kids to foster care? This is your plan for improving the lives of children?

If you give your 12yo access to a gun, and shoots/kills another child (even by accident) - who is at fault? The 12yo? The gun? The parent?

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Post by BatteryMountain »

stephen_g wrote: post #632
graemep wrote: post #584

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The internet is an extremely useful educational resource. It provides ways of communicating with people you want your kids to communicate with. it needs management by parents. My kids have learned a huge amount from the internet. I have guided them, discussed what are credible resources, the harms possible etc, who they talk to and what they tell them.... There are solutions that would make it easier for parents - pe…

Internet should not be filtered by default, that’s ridiculous. Either make it a separate product that large ISPs have to offer (like you either choose the ‘internet package’ or the ‘child-safe filtered internet package’) or ask people as part of the sign-up flow whether they want filtering. I think it’s bad for society to treat adults as children, I’m happy that it should be made obviously available (there’s some mer…

Not only offer them - if they have children in the house, they are forced to use the child-friendly version, no exceptions. Or when we switch to ipv6 each device can have a static IP and they go on a list (child or adult) and those devices sit on a different subnet.

As bad as it is to treat adults as children, it is equally (or worse) to treat children as adults.

Parental control only get you so far. Even if we conjure the perfect tech system to manage this, remember that children were being exploited long before the internet. Bending the internet will not solve the problem, just alleviate the current flavour of child abuse, and force it back offline.

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Post by BatteryMountain »

Aurornis wrote: post #620
stef25 wrote: post #607

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> It provides ways of communicating with people you want your kids to communicate with Who do you want your kids to communicate with over the internet ?

Their friends and family, obviously. I’m surprised by all of the comments assuming the internet can’t possibly have any value for kids in any way, shape, or form. Did HN commenters grow up and forget what it’s like to be a kid with friends? With an interest in games or technology or discovery?

Yes and most of us were exposed to porn before the age of 15, because one friend had internet faster than dailup. We even had a guy in our school that used to sell cd-roms filled with porn. This was before smart phones. Its one thing playing with tech & discovery, another thing having your first sexual experience be on a screen, as a child. It has lasting affects on your development.

Oh, and a good chunk of abuse happens by friends & family, not strangers.

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Post by BatteryMountain »

EmptyCoffeeCup wrote: post #574
BatteryMountain wrote: post #556

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All solved problems. Phones can have passcodes, fingerprint readers, facial recognition (for parents face) to keep kids off them. Devices can have multiple user accounts, each with different purposes and applications. On my linux laptop, I have two accounts, one for work & one for personal, with distinct applications and configuration. If all else fail, each manufacturer can product a simple device that can only chat…

Lol. One of my colleagues had Child Services round, as their daughter had told her school he was abusing her, because he confiscated her mobile (that he was paying for). Good luck "parenting" any child in this day and age, when any seemingly minor things you think you can do as a parent, lead to that sort of outcome. How'd you keep a kid off the internet, when they're happy to say anything to the authorities get that…

She was most likely groomed to threaten her parents. It is one of the first steps for a groomer - gain the trust, isolate them mentally, teach then to keep secrets and cover tracks and finally, to distrust/lie/blackmail the parents. After that point, many kids do what they want, they know they can get away with it, they do what they want at school too as the behaviour will propagate. Eventually this can/will result in child trafficking where the groomer will try to organise a real life meetup, often using catfish/faked details, rental cars etc to traffic the child from one point to another, and then another and then the kid is lost in the underworld and we might see it in the local news.

All cause the parent thought it was "cute" that their daughter/son has an instagram/snapchat/etc account. I think parents deep down knows what is going on but cannot face that reality. Or the parents live vicariously through them, trying to relive that self-discovery process as they monitor the devices.

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