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Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Hi, I’m Christina, cofounder of Hack Club. We just announced this news to our community, and this post is from one of the teenagers in Hack Club. It’s an accurate description of what’s happened, and we’re grateful to them for posting. Slack changed the terms of a special deal we were given last year to charge us for staff and volunteers (not for every teenager coding), and we built programs around that special rate.…

Salesforce is in the business of forcing sales.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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post #398

i wish discord worked better for work

I wish it worked worse and people stopped used it as a replacement for forums.

Its 2025, people don't want their conversations out on the public internet to be mined and profiled. Discord offers that base privacy.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Thousands of teen coders now hate Salesforce in advance . This is very shortsighted.

Wait, there are people who actually don't hate Salesforce?

But they use the dreamy McConaughey for their ads, so they must be a good company. /s

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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We need a blacklist of vendors that subject clients to extortion. As per user reports, two such vendors are Cloudflare and now Slack. These are to be avoided at all costs.

The bad actors are pretty well known:

- Oracle

- Microsoft

- SalesForce

- Broadcom

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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post #675

Slack is still a thing? At this rate it's cheaper to pay a full time DevOps team to run several Matrix servers so you have high availability.

I tried to like Matrix but the UX was just so bad! Switched to Mattermost and I couldn't be happier. Everything that I liked about Slack.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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post #417
post #176

Hi, I’m Christina, cofounder of Hack Club. We just announced this news to our community, and this post is from one of the teenagers in Hack Club. It’s an accurate description of what’s happened, and we’re grateful to them for posting. Slack changed the terms of a special deal we were given last year to charge us for staff and volunteers (not for every teenager coding), and we built programs around that special rate.…

If you have a bunch of coders, just scrape the data. Then turn your back on this greedy maw. We recently moved to Mattermost for the same reason. Not looking back.

If you try to use the Slack APIs to scrape the data you will *quickly* run face-first into the insanely restrictive rate limiting they recently enacted to combat their customers using AI tools they aren't providing and able to monetize.

That being said, we were able to get full data exports in the past when we were merging two companies into a single slack instance. YMMV

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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post #176

Hi, I’m Christina, cofounder of Hack Club. We just announced this news to our community, and this post is from one of the teenagers in Hack Club. It’s an accurate description of what’s happened, and we’re grateful to them for posting. Slack changed the terms of a special deal we were given last year to charge us for staff and volunteers (not for every teenager coding), and we built programs around that special rate.…

Have you talked to a rep from Mattermost or Zulip yet?

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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I switched from Slack to Discord back in 2017 and I can't imagine ever going back. Their free offering is better than what you get for $$$$ from Slack.

Slack is designed for small groups of people that all know and trust each other. That security model falls apart when you scale to large low-trust organizations. Discord was designed for strangers and offers far more granular controls.

They offer infinite search. Unlimited users. And it's free! Can't recommend it enough.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would think that making your users hate you is shortsighted, yes. But does it really matter? I urge every user of Hacker News to read Peter Thiel's book, Zero to One. It's the definitive statement on software capitalism. The goal, which Thiel embraces unabashedly, is to use technology to create new and unique monopolies, and once you've created them, extract as much rent as possible from the users. Obviously the…

The book Zero to One has pretty questionable economics. I'm paraphrasing here, it's been a long time, but his thesis is that in a competitive situation life of a company is nasty, brutish and short. And that might be true, but that doesn't mean that life for customers or shareholders or workers is anything like that. Part of why companies have it so hard in harsh competition is that they have to pay workers well in o…

The 19th century phrase used in public to justify building monopolistic “trusts” was avoiding “ruinous competition”, the nation would be better off with a few big monopolies
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