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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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xg15 wrote: post #687
streptomycin wrote: post #676

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My argument is that people seem to get very worked up when the Jews do something, but basically nobody cares about other similar or even worse things done by other people. I suspect this is most likely because of antisemitism (not that every anti-Israel person is an antisemite, but that the movement would not have become so prominent without a large core of dedicated antisemites).

Yeah, that's just whataboutism. Edit: To elaborate, because there was another comment comparing this to Assad in Syria: I think the difference is that Assad already belonged to the "enemy" is of the West (rightly so) and was immediately hit with sanctions. What is special about Israel is that the government and, as it seems, large parts of the population, are displaying the same mentality - but unlike with Assad, no…

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xorcist wrote: post #407
Liron wrote: post #346

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Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

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Shacklz wrote: post #637
alkyon wrote: post #590

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Thank you, this is what I wanted to know: "‘If you feed Gazans, they eventually eat you,’ the Israeli stand-up comedian Gil Kopatz posted. ‘It’s not genocide, it’s pesticide.’ According to a survey commissioned by Penn State, more than 80 per cent of Israeli Jews now support the expulsion of Gazans. Compassion for Palestinians is taboo except among a fringe of radical activists. When Ayman Odeh, a Palestinian member…

> "‘If you feed Gazans, they eventually eat you,’ the Israeli stand-up comedian Gil Kopatz posted. ‘It’s not genocide, it’s pesticide.’ I have such a hard time understanding how such statements can find an accepting audience in this day and age; in Israel of all places. Replace "Israeli stand-up comedian" with "some Nazi propagandist in the 30s/40s" and "Gazans" with "Jews", and I'm sure it would be a perfectly accur…

Fully agreed, this Gil Kopatz could as well write articles in Der Stürmer. The same rhetoric was used by the Nazis. For instance, they compared Jews to rats:

Caption: “When the vermin are dead, the German oak will flourish once more.” (December 1927)

https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/images...

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peterfirefly wrote: post #363
HDThoreaun wrote: post #114

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Hamas has quite literally never been open to anything like this. Israel no longer is, but they definitely were before the second intafada.

> but they definitely were before the second intafada. No. But some of the important people in Israel were smart enough to pretend they were.

The palestinains shouldve called their bluff instead of refusing every deal offered then.

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slt2021 wrote: post #295
bunchofreycis wrote: post #284

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Iraqi, Moroccan, Yemeni, Tunisian, Algerian, and Syrian Jewish citizens of Israel cannot in fact "simply pull their 2nd or 3rd passports and go back to where they came from", and this notion that every Israeli has a "3rd passport" (or, for that matter, a 2nd) is itself an ethnic slur.

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Post by anon84873628 »

streptomycin wrote: post #676
lo_zamoyski wrote: post #491

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What exactly is your argument here? Jews were kicked out of Muslim countries, therefore, Jews can treat Palestinians like subhumans?

My argument is that people seem to get very worked up when the Jews do something, but basically nobody cares about other similar or even worse things done by other people. I suspect this is most likely because of antisemitism (not that every anti-Israel person is an antisemite, but that the movement would not have become so prominent without a large core of dedicated antisemites).

It doesn't have to be antisemitism, but just a regular double standard.

Israel is modern invention by educated people who themselves have a long history of displacement and oppression. The bottom line is people expect them to "do better" compared to Syria, Myanmar, or China for that matter.

In that sense you could say it's actually racism towards all those other countries because the world just expects them to be violent, genocidal, and uncivilized anyway.

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giardini wrote: post #639
lawlessone wrote: post #542

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There should be. But presumably its harder since most of them were killed. Not sure how the colonization of America justifies other colonization's. Unless you think everyone is owed a 1 free genocide pass?

lawlessone says: "...since most of them were killed. Not sure how the colonization of America justifies other colonization's. Unless you think everyone is owed a 1 free genocide pass?" Most of them died from disease. Far more of them died from disease than died from say, hand to hand combat or warfare on the plains. The American Indians were toast as soon as the first coughing European stepped ashore. The native Amer…

You're skipping over the whole "manifest destiny" bit, where the remaining natives were systematically hunted down and destroyed. Trail of Tears ring any bells?

And note this was perpetrated by The United States, not the "American colonists". This was happening in the 1800s, a good 300 years after the initial disease front came through.

If the United States had respected the native populations the American West would look very different today. Compare with current Central and South America for example (which were certainly still victims of both disease and genocide, but it was less thorough due to differences in colonizers and geography).

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

swat535 wrote: post #205

Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

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burnt-resistor wrote: post #158
reverendsteveii wrote: post #120

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we're precedenting it in the united states. our government is deeply ideologically aligned with the people committing the vast majority of domestic terrorism in this country.

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Chris Hedges is _always_ an excellent source. Wish more journalists were like him
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