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Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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I'm not sure how this will play out long term, but I really am not a fan of having to feel like I'm using a limited resource whenever I use an LLM. People like unlimited plans, we are used to them for internet, text messaging, etc. The current pricing models just feel bad.

The real bottleneck isn’t Jevons paradox, it’s the Theory of Constraints. A human brain runs on under 20 W, yet every major LLM vendor is burning cash and running up against power supply limits. If anything pops this bubble, it won’t be ethics panels or model tweaks but subscription prices finally reflecting those electricity bills. At that point, companies might rediscover the ROI of good old meat based AI.

> At that point, companies might rediscover the ROI of good old meat based AI.

I doubt this will look good for any party.

The global electricity supply is 375 W/capita, and there's a lot of direct evidence in the form of "building new power plants" that the companies are electricity-limited. I have long observed the trends of renewable energy, but even assuming their rapid exponential growth continues, they can only roughly double this by 2032.

If we just simplify the discussion about the quality of LLMs output as "about as good as a junior graduate", then the electricity bill can increase until the price curve of {the cost of supplying that inference} matches the price curve of {the cost of hiring a junior graduate}. If the electricity price is fixed, graduates can't earn enough to feed themselves. If the graduates earn the smallest possible amount of money needed to feed and house themselves in G7 nations, then normal people are priced out of using heating/AC, the street lights get turned off because municipalities won't be able to cover the bill. If the electricity for inference becomes as expensive as hiring Silicon Valley software engineering graduates, then normal people won't even be able to keep their phones charged.

That said:

> A human brain runs on under 20 W

Only if you ignore the body it's attached to, which we cannot currently live without. And we do also need a lot of time off, as we start working at 21 and stop at just under 70 (so 5/8ths of our lives), and the working week is 40 hours out of 168, and we need more time beyond that away from paid work for sickness and reproduction, and many of us also like holidays.

Between all the capacity factors, for every hour (@20W = 20 Wh) of the average American worker's brain being on a job, there's a corresponding average of about 1 kWh used by the bodies of various Americans.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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Gemini 2.5 Pro is a better coding model, but Gemini CLI is way behind Claude Code, perhaps because the model itself isn’t well-tuned for agentic work. If you’re just doing targeted refactoring and exploration, you can copy and paste back and forth from the web app for $20 a month.

Not if you write Rust. From regularly producing code that has unbalanced braces or quote characters somewhere to destroying well working code. It also easily gets into loops where it can't solve a problem, comes up with a half-working solution A, throws it away, comes up with B, then C, then goes back to A etc. I run Gemini Pro from within CC but I only use it for analysis and planning for which it is better than Cla…

Are you saying Claude is better at writing Rust or Gemini? Or Gemini in Gemini CLI? Not following. In my experience, Gemini 2.5 PRO is better at writing Rust overall.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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Meat has far higher input requirements for good performance above raw energy

Hire Vegan Developers... :-)

I'm not sure they meant that, but they might have.

An alternative reading is that we (i.e. "good old meat based AI") need more than just calories to make stuff.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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To lay the cables required a huge amount of capital, to make that feasible its required financial engineering. That translates to high operating expenses.

SMS was originally piggybacking off unused bytes in packets already being sent to the tower, which was being paid for by existing phone bills. The only significant expenses involved transiting between networks. That was a separate surcharge in the early days.

> SMS was originally piggybacking off unused bytes in packets already being sent to the tower

for GSM? not really, Yes SMS was sent at a lower priority than voice, so if there is a lot of voice traffic, SMSs wouldn't be delivered as quickly.

But, to my original point, do you think the towers were free?

Thats the point, it took a shittone of captial to make the network.

Did the mobile networks make a lot of cash? also yes. But they also took on huge amounts of debt and went bust.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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SMS was originally piggybacking off unused bytes in packets already being sent to the tower, which was being paid for by existing phone bills. The only significant expenses involved transiting between networks. That was a separate surcharge in the early days.

Used to be? What changed?

We don't use 2g GSM anymore.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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It is natural for the gate to be closing. It sucks, but they are not going to give us access forever. You really need to start looking for long term service that is reliable and dependable. I hope Anthropic can provide that utility for the bootstrapped.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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Gemini 2.5 Pro made some big post-launch improvements for tool calling/agentic usage that made it go from “pulling teeth” to “almost as smooth as Claude” in Cline/Roo Code (which is saying something since Cline was originally built around Claude tool use specifically). So the team at least seems to be aware of its shortcomings in that area and working to improve it with some success which I appreciate. But you are co…

Even just a week ago Gemini was still outputting the same message twice almost every time in Cline, I doubt that has changed in the last week.

Hmmm I haven't used for Cline for several months but in Roo I have made some (fairly minor) changes to my Roo Code code modes and have not experienced this at all. Especially that frequently, I use GPT 4.1 via my Copilot Pro plan and Gemini 2.5 Pro via OpenRouter as my daily drivers. That being said I have had found using Gemini through the AI Studio API much less reliable in Roo/Cline and I'm not sure how you are accessing it.

I have auto approve turned on for most routine tasks and run Gemini for relatively long (by Cline/Roo standards) tasks unsupervised without issue, with the normal caveats of any LLM going off the deep end every now and then but haven't seen that more frequently with Gemini except in the first couple months 2.5 Pro was released.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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Hire Vegan Developers... :-)

I'm not sure they meant that, but they might have. An alternative reading is that we (i.e. "good old meat based AI") need more than just calories to make stuff.

> An alternative reading is that we (i.e. "good old meat based AI") need more than just calories to make stuff.

That was what I meant; we require also things like shelter, emotional wellbeing, and more, to operate at top performance levels.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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I want to say again that I don't think their plan pricing is straightforward, but (at least when I was looking at it the other day) I came away with the (correct, imo) impression that the 5x and 20x were just marketing terms and I should take it with a grain of salt. I agree it's not literally what it sounds like. I think the disconnect here is that the 5x or 20x is true within a single session (and you'll see their…

I'm sorry but that's gaslighting in the face of literally being shown the payment page that shows otherwise. "5x more usage than Pro" and "20x more usage than Pro" cannot be reasonably interpreted in the way you're doing. It doesn't matter how much you preface it with "I don't think it's straightforward". > clearly their legal team went over it with a fine tooth comb If their legal team in fact did, they'll have said…

Are we reading different pages? Their pricing page: "Choose 5x or 20x more usage per session than Pro*". Per session is the important bit here.

I do see that their sign up/registration page doesn't include the per session text, instead saying just "5-20x more usage than Pro". I do think the per session but is the part that makes it true, but I also don't think you're being skeptical enough. If something says 20x more I'm obviously going to look for 20x of what, and I think it's on the reader to realize what they're signing up for.

I don't have any stake in this, anthropic, or AI; but I don't like it when people flame something that I think is understandable. It's certainly a bit of spin, but I don't wouldn't go so far as to say it's unethical etc.,.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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The 95% of users are subsidizing the 5% power users, in theory they could adjust the usage cap dynamically depending on usage vs. total number of subscribers. But of course with a complete lack of transparency it doesn't matter, there is no reason to ever give the benefit of the doubt to a for-profit company.

>But of course with a complete lack of transparency it doesn't matter, there is no reason to ever give the benefit of the doubt to a for-profit company We know inference is very expensive so it's not reasonable to expect unlimited usage in general...

Look if you make a service a flat rate you can oversubscribe and rate limit like crazy to squeeze it for profit, or measure the 5% of power users and set rate limits to maintain reasonable balance between cost vs. profits for all users. We don't know, nobody knows but them. Don't be a peasant.
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