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The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by immibis »

uneekname wrote: post #10

> UNESCO works to advance divisive social and cultural causes and maintains an outsized focus on the UN’s Sustainable Development Goals, a globalist, ideological agenda for international development at odds with our America First foreign policy. Ummm...what? This is the kind of nonsense that makes me want to leave this country.

Always fascinating how many people are more alarmed by their country withdrawing from international treaties, than by it rounding up its own citizens and sending them to concentration camps. One of those should be far more alarming than the other.

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Post by [deleted] »

senderista wrote: post #642
DSingularity wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m using the word “terrorism” in exactly the way it should be used. Ireland was founded by people fighting for liberty. South Africa the same. The Israeli founders were terrorists. They used terror to ethnically cleanse the lands of its indigenous population. Anybody that supports this or tries to draw false parallels with genuine liberation movements is disgusting for obvious reasons.

That’s pretty naive. There are never unambiguously good and bad sides in a civil war. Case in point: the ANC terrorized and massacred Zulu nationalists.

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Post by breppp »

taylodl wrote: post #545
breppp wrote: post #531

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I understand the frustration with Hamas, but I think it's important to consider the reality on the ground. Most Palestinians in Gaza are unarmed, displaced, and struggling to survive under extreme conditions - with limited food, water, and medical care. Expecting them to rise up against a heavily armed and entrenched group like Hamas, especially while under bombardment, seems unrealistic. It's not that they don't wan…

Maybe, but the entire story we are seeing here is supposed to be Palestinian armed "resistance against an occupation", willing to fight against a stronger enemy for almost a century now.

Why do you think in the at least six different armed groups in Gaza, there is not one ready to fight against the people who have effectively taken them hostages?

Why in the around half of million extended families of the 100,000 people associated with Hamas in Gaza, there is not enough political pressure to stop?

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Post by dmix »

whynotmaybe wrote: post #660
selimthegrim wrote: post #501

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Which site in Yugoslavia did they bomb?

History mismatch/Mandela effect? Some of the bombed sites were already known as culturally significant but not recognized by unesco yet, like Novi Sad that became a unesco creative city in 2023.

UNESCO Creative cities are very different from UNESCO world heritage sites.

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Post by tempnew »

dismalaf wrote: post #641
SiempreViernes wrote: post #629

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They replied at all, which is frankly more than genocide denial merits.

When someone shows actual evidence, then maybe you can make the claim. Hamas spokespeople aren't credible and aren't evidence.

There have been reports from Israeli soldiers about surplus killing of citizens which you can find on YouTube. It’s unlikely these people are lying, but their reports may not be entirely representative of the war effort either. I think we need to avoid turning ethic cleansing into some sort of binary where you have it or don’t. It exists on a continuum and is a side effect of war that we should assume exists in some tacit degree wherever there are wars involving ethnic groups.

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Post by shadowgovt »

lvl155 wrote: post #40

And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

It is a common categorical error to assume that people good at math or complex electromechanical systems must also be good at ethics, morality, or philosophy.

We see a bodybuilder good at lifting things, or a bricklayer good at building houses, and we don't assume they also have an opinion on nicomachean ethics that should be entertained. Similar, usually, with entertainers. But we sometimes assume that someone really good at structuring database queries for optimal retrieval efficiency must respect the separation of labor from capital value or the challenges of providing for the needs of eight billion people because they are people.

I have to assume it's because we think that if you're good at one "labor of the mind" you must be good at the others (and, probably, because too few of us also have nearly enough respect for how much thought goes into making a wall that won't fall down).

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Post by DSingularity »

senderista wrote: post #642
DSingularity wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m using the word “terrorism” in exactly the way it should be used. Ireland was founded by people fighting for liberty. South Africa the same. The Israeli founders were terrorists. They used terror to ethnically cleanse the lands of its indigenous population. Anybody that supports this or tries to draw false parallels with genuine liberation movements is disgusting for obvious reasons.

That’s pretty naive. There are never unambiguously good and bad sides in a civil war. Case in point: the ANC terrorized and massacred Zulu nationalists.

Okay that’s fine — call it naive. Way would you call condemning the Gazans for fighting against occupiers while white washing the long history of crime and abuse by Zionists?

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Post by DSingularity »

ngruhn wrote: post #457
DSingularity wrote: post #430

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The Israeli state was literally founded by terrorists. The leaders of those terrorist organizations were the first leaders of Israeli prime ministers and secretaries of war and so on.

What are you talking about? There's plenty to criticize Israel for but this is just hyperbolic nonsense.

Nonsense? Hyperbole?

I think you are either ignorant of the history of your country or you are ignoring the parts that don’t fit your narrative.

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Post by kennywinker »

sir0010010 wrote: post #653
amdivia wrote: post #555

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Can you link authenticatic sources to back those claims up? Do you even know what the intifada means? Or are you using foreign words to make it sound scary?

When the definite form is used , and certainly when used in English and in the context of global events, The Intifada (emphasis added on the to highlight that this is used in definite form) refers to the Second Palestinian Intifada - which was characterized random violent attacks against civilians such as suicide bombings and shootings. Calls to Globalize the Intifada are calls for violent attacks against civilian ta…

> The Intifada refers to the Second Palestinian Intifada

Source pls?

I understand this is what a lot of people who HEAR “the intifada” believe - but is it what a lot of people who SAY “the intifada” believe?

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