Time for a Russian diplomat to go to LA and give cookies to the protesters in show of support? [0]
[0] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/6/61/Victoria_Nula...
Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
#692Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And the wrong people have most of the guns. Ironically, those people were right about that aspect.
What "aspect" of what?
When there's a lot of chaos in society, it's useful that your faction has the most guns.
Lefties go "constitution is outdated, you can't beat tanks with rifles, therefore having guns is useless". Reality isn't that black and white tho. If your faction has the most guns you might not even have to use them.
Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
#693Ahead of time, and from the inside, it looks and sounds like 'restoring proper order'. Afterwards, and from the outside, it looks and sounds like ... well read some history about attempts to 'restore proper order'. The outcome and progression is entirely and sadly predictable. It's been about 80 years since WWII. Are we doomed to repeat this on an 80 year cycle, when the last generation who went through this passes f…
> Are we doomed to repeat this on an 80 year cycle, when the last generation who went through this passes from the scene?
Have fun reading about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generatio...
Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
#694If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans
Lets separate headlines from reality here: Yes this is an unnecessary provocation with loads of emotionally charged elements (and federalizing California's National Guard in this context is certainly concerning for multiple reasons -considering the scale of the protests and violence ) BUT there is no sign that Active Duty military personnel are being deployed to engage civilians (yet).
It would seem most likely that the Marines were called strictly to protect federal buildings, facilities and agents. The problem I see is the latter category. I am personally fine with National Guard being used to protect people and infrastructure when appropriate and when confined to federal facilities, and I'm even fine with the use of military to protect federal facilities... however, the second active duty military engages civilians 'on the streets' we have martial law and that's a whole new can o worms with explosive possibilities for escalation.
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#695Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perceived enemy? Even the most liberal of cities touting themselves as “sanctuary cities” had to pivot and declare they simply cannot handle the influx. 12million immigrants came into the country during the Biden administration. This type of load on the system does not go unnoticed. NYC for example was drastically transformed. Why do you think it’s just a “perceived” problem?
> declare they simply cannot handle the influx They cannot handle it with the resources being given. This is true for the red states like Texas and what not, the social services we do have struggle to handle the load. But we're choosing to let these systems struggle . We could solve it if we chose to do so. In 2020 our population was ~330 million people. Even if 12 million people immigrated to the United States, that…
They are concentrated in major cities not evenly distributed across all of the US.
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#696Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's terrifying, certainly. One man was taken into custody for allegedly throwing a Molotov cocktail at an officer and a motorcyclist was arrested for ramming a police skirmish line. https://www.yahoo.com/news/kill-l-police-attacked-fireworks-... Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna said "you had people who were...attacking police officers, deputy sheriffs and causing a lot of destruction." The 101 Freeway shut dow…
Bad as these things are, the Governor of California currently believes their own law enforcement can handle the situation without the National Guard. If he felt he needed support, he'd have requested it using the provided legal mechanisms. Note that Trump's DoD did not seem to be in a hurry to deploy the National Guard on 6th January, despite multiple requests to do so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_r…
What the governor of California believes does not matter when federal agents are being attacked. The President has a responsibility to protect his agents. If California is not doing that sufficiently, the President is more than justified in sending reinforcements.
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#697[flagged]
America as it was died 24 years ago.
Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
#698It's clear that many commenters here are operating from completely different factual bases, in terms of who did what, and in what order. Fog of war seems to be in effect.
It takes a lot of words to convince people not to believe what they can see for themselves in video.
Everyone sees what they want to see.
Some see a Mexican invasion as the protesters are carrying flags of Mexico. Not sure why they’d expect that to garner support.
Some see violence against police / military
Some see poor people being abused by people in power.
Some see violence against powerless people
Some see actors staging fake protests (see thread for proof that some people see this)
Some see political posturing
Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
#699Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because they don’t really care. It’s just about creating divisions in society to keep people voting for people that do everything against their interests.
Or maybe they just got tired of millions of immigrants flaunting the law and overburdening the system? We had unprecedented levels of illegal immigration over the last four years. Do you think it went unnoticed and didn’t adversely affect anyone? Why jump to these conspiracy notions about division and blatantly ignore the simplest and most obvious explanation.
Honest question, because I don't see it here in Colorado: Who has it adversely affected? Crime rates among illegal immigrants are lower than the rest of the population [1] [2] [3] and illegal immigrants are the backbone of our agricultural system [4]
So ... who is hurt and how badly are they hurt? Because when I see the amount of perfectly legal murder, robbery and torture happening in the U.S. [5] [6] [7] [8] I just don't understand what the big deal is. I guess it's whataboutism, but when we have limited resources, why are we using them for this specific problem? How bad is it compared to this other stuff?
[1] https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-o... (the feds took it down -- gee I wonder why -- but the facts are in the permalink)
[2] https://www.cato.org/blog/white-houses-misleading-error-ridd...
[3] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7768760/
[4] https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-labor#lega...
[5] https://www.techtarget.com/revcyclemanagement/feature/Breaki...
[6] https://ij.org/press-release/new-report-finds-civil-forfeitu...
[7] https://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/07/27/whistleblower-e...
[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison#United_States
Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
#700Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn't post-pandemic Canada have the highest rate of legal immigration in years since government gives out immigration visas like candy? I can't see how this is good in a country that already has a stagnating economy and a housing crisis. You're eroding the bargaining power of local labor and increasing competition for housing in an already tight market.
>I can't see how this is good in a country that already has a stagnating economy and a housing crisis Increasing immigration is a good way to revitalize a stagnant economy. This is the great chasm between people's intuition of how national economies work and economists' understanding of how they work.
Well, it doesn't seem to be working.