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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by jaybrendansmith »

yongjik wrote: post #30
ty6853 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actual letter explains they can regain status by ratting out their students. It will quietly be done, although likely in a way that make it look as if Harvard hasn't.

Maybe, but I doubt it. Trump is not a mafia boss - time after time he showed that his words cannot be trusted. If Harvard makes a concession, there's no guarantee that Trump will "forgive" it. Look how China is dealing with Trump. Trump announces tariffs, China returns Boeing planes, tariffs somehow comes down.

Penn should support Harvard and publicly revoke Trump's degree. Bullies only understand force.

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Post by bl4kers »

gosub100 wrote: post #654
sva_ wrote: post #32

> When a University’s SEVP certification is revoked, currently enrolled international students must choose between transferring to a different institution, changing their immigration status, or leaving the country, according to the Immigration and Customs Enforcement website. It's crazy they're punishing tons of students who don't even have anything to do with these protests

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> they will happily kick students out for not subscribing to leftist woke ideology.

Source?

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Post by esseph »

spacemadness wrote: post #688
neumann wrote: post #546

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They (the current administration) doesn't want to be competitive. They want to be in full control and willing to destroy any institution, organization or person that opposes them, internal or external.

Can we say "fascism" out loud yet or are moderates still pretending everything is fine?

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by ckemere »

bko wrote: post #689
jltsiren wrote: post #668

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Academic standards are kind of irrelevant when it comes to Harvard undergraduate admissions. Harvard is a tiny university at the absolute top of the prestige hierarchy. As far as they are concerned, every serious (non-legacy/donor) applicant is a truly exceptional student. At least to the extent it can be determined from the admission materials and a short interview. They could choose randomly from all good enough ap…

> As far as they are concerned, every serious (non-legacy/donor) applicant is a truly exceptional student. I know it's fun to dunk on legacy admissions but legacy students are actually more qualified by objective measures than non legacy. It makes sense that some genetics that predisposes children to an academic environment gets passed on. Not to mention the fact that their parents value education. This holds up even…

I think in context “legacy” refers to the affirmative action boost given to children of (donating) alumni over better qualified unconnected peers.

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Post by trealira »

spacemadness wrote: post #688
neumann wrote: post #546

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They (the current administration) doesn't want to be competitive. They want to be in full control and willing to destroy any institution, organization or person that opposes them, internal or external.

Can we say "fascism" out loud yet or are moderates still pretending everything is fine?

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by j_timberlake »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #66

I get flak for hating Republican voters with the general feeling of most people being that voters are not responsible for the officials THEY elected to represent them. I still haven't found a valid argument for why a voter isn't held responsible for the actions of representatives. Especially if the actions would be likely to occur.

What about the Dems who primaried Hillary and Biden, ruining the 2016 and 2024 elections? All they had to do was pick someone at least mildly likable and not so old that they'd bomb a 2nd election.

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Post by pen2l »

rayiner wrote: post #682
jltsiren wrote: post #668

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Academic standards are kind of irrelevant when it comes to Harvard undergraduate admissions. Harvard is a tiny university at the absolute top of the prestige hierarchy. As far as they are concerned, every serious (non-legacy/donor) applicant is a truly exceptional student. At least to the extent it can be determined from the admission materials and a short interview. They could choose randomly from all good enough ap…

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I understand it's cool to slam Harvard these days but it is nonetheless a behemoth when it comes to research output.

https://www.harvard.edu/about/history/nobel-laureates/

https://www.nature.com/nature-index/research-leaders/2024/in...

https://hms.harvard.edu/about-hms/history-hms/timeline-disco...

https://www.harvard.edu/in-focus/innovation/

Roughly a third of the 50-something of Harvard's Nobel laureates were immigrants by the way.

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Post by mousethatroared »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #617
mousethatroared wrote: post #582

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Nationwide injunctions are going the way of the dodo

With population outgrowing our capped judiciary, making access to courts increasingly pay to play, this means even less accountability for the executive branch.

The judiciary doesn't have to be capped. Thats on Congress

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Post by tstrimple »

arunabha wrote: post #680

The truly depressing thing is, a lot of people are actually happy about this action. How did things get so bad, so quickly? People who lived under authoritarian regimes have long said that things move slowly at first, but after an inflection point, get real bad, real fast. It's one thing to understand that intellectually, quite another to witness it first hand. Hopefully, the judiciary will block this particular madn…

> How did things get so bad, so quickly?

It didn't. Conservatives in this country have explicitly been headed this direction since they decided to never let another Nixon happen. Not that they would prevent another criminal Republican. But they would ensure that Republicans are never punished for behavior like this. It led to Fox News and Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson, etc. The writing has been on the wall in plain sight for everyone to see for literally decades. The people who have been pointing it out and stating this is exactly where the country has been headed are called radicals and casually dismissed. The only reason Romney lost is because he didn't lean into the hatred his base was demanding[1]. Trump delivered what they wanted.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/07/romney-...

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Post by zappb »

klipt wrote: post #658
fluidcruft wrote: post #649

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Presumably you mean it would if it were passed into law. The House passes all sorts of bullshit that dies in the Senate.

Hopefully it dies, but republicans do have a senate majority too.

They don’t have 60 senators which is required to pass anything besides the budget these days thanks to the filibuster.
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