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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by natch »

gkoberger wrote: post #59
socalgal2 wrote: post #34

I don't know if it's the same people but many of the comments here seem the opposite of the comments on EUs rules where people say they're targeting specific companies and comments say "no, the rules are such than all companies over a certain size are covered". If the rule is 85% domestic than any company can do it. I'm not saying the tariffs are good. Only that their point is to get things made domesticly

Why 85% and not 80%? It’s an arbitrary cutoff that happens to benefit Elon. Ford will quickly get to 85%, but you can’t deny this is yet again a move that is touted as “pro-America” yet somehow mainly benefits Musk (or Trump or someone in their orbit).

Somehow benefits someone who builds stuff in America. What a travesty.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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m4rtink wrote: post #564
vlovich123 wrote: post #413

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> GM, Ford, and other companies have chimed in positively. Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours, I’m not so sure I read too much into anyone praising the policies of this government as it’s clear that companies are erring on the side of staying on this governments good graces publicly regardless of personal opini…

Wouldn't that be actually good thing for supporting local manufacturing and local buying, if customers could easily see which products are expensive because they are imported and which ones are expensive because they are locally made ?

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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ChicagoDave wrote: post #624
rco8786 wrote: post #544

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> Not going to change the buying market. Price changes absolutely change the buying market. What a weird thing to say. A lot of people will never buy a Tesla, a lot still will (they delivered 300k+ vehicles in Q1). The ones who still will buy will also consider the price.

No company can withstand political backlash at a national scale. Tesla has lost significant ground just because Merlin started playing politics. Target is suffering badly from their DEI decision. Globally, Tesla is in even worse shape. No one in Europe will be buy one now. China makes their own EVs. The stock is being propped up by institutional investors. Eventually even that will collapse.

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by natch »

grugagag wrote: post #297
throwaway5752 wrote: post #222

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Tesla blatantly makes their cars and even most of their components themselves in America… gosh, such a blatant crime that they escape a tariff on goods made in other countries.

The actual root cause of all this is a climate change guilt complex on the left. Elon is involved, so they have to assume bad intent, because they need an excuse for their own bad choices.

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

afiori wrote: post #636
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #504

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Arguably, a similar problem exists for "big government" ideologues, except more severe. https://fee.org/articles/10-crazy-examples-of-unrelated-wast...

Every voice on that (except the last one as it is too vague) is popular with the relevant electorate. I dislike how a bunch of random unrelated shit is stuffed together into a single bill but that is because the US is a vetocracy.

Isn't manufacturing more cars in the US also popular with the electorate?

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Post by somenameforme »

ethbr1 wrote: post #673
ANewFormation wrote: post #665

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Probably driven in large part by the expansion of the voting pool. Great political thinkers have no more appeal to the masses at large than Beethoven, Dostoevsky, or Linux. So we get entertainers and silver tongued devils for politicians whose primary skillset tends to overlap heavily with that of conmen. Speaking of figures with no mainstream appeal, Plato wrote extensively, and utterly prophetically, about this pha…

Trump's twice election certainly makes a case for universal voting, but maybe different individual vote weights? Basic stuff, like if you don't know what 5 - 1/4 equals or what cells are. If not, maybe you shouldn't have as loud a say in choosing political leadership?

Universal voting is the opposite of the direction to go. See: Australia. Of course going in the opposite direction is probably impossible, because it's not about knowledge but about susceptibility to typical forms of manipulation, emotional highest among them.

This is the reason that politics has largely shifted from a game of knowledge and vision, to one of mud slinging, ad hominem, and appeals to emotion, fearmongering, and so forth. It's not because the electorate doesn't know enough, but because they have poor emotional control, making them easy to manipulate. It's exactly how conmen, operate with Wiki offering the typical pattern as exploiting "the victim's credulity, naivety, compassion, vanity, confidence, irresponsibility, and greed." [1]

And I see no clear solution to this.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scam

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by Qwertious »

gadders wrote: post #600
Qwertious wrote: post #578

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There are more than those two categories - for example, Europe exists. So does Canada.

I would be surprised if there were any meaningful differences between American, European and Canadian labour.

Europe includes Germany, Spain, and Romania. I know Romania is far cheaper than Germany, at least.

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hsuduebc2 wrote: post #642
mlrtime wrote: post #593

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Are you struck at the possibility of a inner-city family on welfare, or poor rural areas thinking that the US should be spending fungible dollars on them and not someone half way across the world?

Well they are not doing that they actually planned to cut local welfare even more. So you make your poorer people poorer and lost influence over the world. I'm honestly struck with that. Politicians which are drastically cutting foreign aid usually doesn't increase it locally because they do not agree with the whole concept.

They do by lowering taxes. This money can be used to keep local communities funded.

We will probably never be in agreement with government having more money to inefficiently distribute vs keeping it in the pockets of the earners. Sorry.

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Post by mlrtime »

davidw wrote: post #618
mlrtime wrote: post #593

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Are you struck at the possibility of a inner-city family on welfare, or poor rural areas thinking that the US should be spending fungible dollars on them and not someone half way across the world?

Is the current administration planning on increasing aid to those people? It seems like they actually plan on cutting it, so I don't think your argument has any weight.

They do by lowering taxes. This money can be used to keep local communities funded.

We will probably never be in agreement with government having more money to inefficiently distribute vs keeping it in the pockets of the earners. Sorry.

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