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Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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I work for a paycheck. I can’t exchange “dignity” for goods and services. The guy got paid nice compensation for his labor.

Therefore, let's throw everything non-monetary under the bus because work should be purely transactional?

What else should it be? Do you believe that your company is like “your family”? Your coworkers or especially your manager are “your friends”?

Why else do you go to work?

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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It’s always sad to see people lose their jobs, but it’s telling how often it’s ex-Googlers posting about layoffs. Feels like a lot of the shock is just realizing they’re just as replaceable and as much of a "cog in the machine" as everyone else. Google spent years selling the idea that it was special, but this feels like a real coming back down to earth moment for the employees.

The OP strikes me as being quite immature. Like a first breakup or something. I think it's less about Google selling themselves as being special and more that people like OP have been led to believe they are special. A lot of them have been treated like royalty: super privileged lives, only experiencing the nice bits of society, top education, then straight into a 6-figure job where you get to be part of a special club with a prestigious google.com email address etc. It's going to be a shock to anyone to have that taken away abruptly when you're a decade or more into this lifestyle.

Most people have to go through shit like this at some point in their life. Most don't get to reap in internet sympathy by the bucketload, though. For some people it really actually sucks. OP is likely a millionaire already, could just take time off to adjust and reflect, then accept one of the numerous job offers that will be on the table. They might even end up doing something useful with their lives instead of advertising.

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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What a waste of a comment. Low salaries typically imply finding a job is easier, because more potential employers can afford to pay you. Can you add any kind of evidence, argument, anything? Saying "fact" after an armchair guess does not make it one.

> Low salaries typically imply finding a job is easier, because more potential employers can afford to pay you. Can you add any kind of evidence, argument, anything? sorry i forgot to add "typically" which apparently is a license to spout any BS .

You started the argument!

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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Twitter was the experiment. Elon showed up and started cutting headcount left and right. People were even encouraged to just walk out. On paper this was supposed to lead to the immanent collapse of it's service. That didn't happen and instead every other tech CEO started to wonder about the amount of fat in their org.

Yeah I think people understate how large of an impact this had. My immediate reaction to that was the "jig is up"--I argued with friends that Twitters functionality would remain intact, there'd be no major outages, etc and they couldn't understand how that'd be possible.

i think the total reduction was about 2/3 if memory serves? so 1 in 3 is that number you'd be looking at for "actually useful". heavy air quotes on that.

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Google is just really bad at this, but seems to think it's not bad at this. It's sad since there is no excuse for it - plenty of companies conduct regular layoffs and role eliminations in more compassionate ways, it would not take much to survey and learn from their practices. Hell, IBM was often more compassionate about layoffs than Google. Some of it they've tried to become more formal about in ways that actually m…

Google is bad at a lot of things but has a “we’re number one why try harder?” attitude. Or rather you can’t benchmark the performance of anyone there against industry peers because they are protected by a two-sided market. Bazel, Kubernetes and other startup killing tools are developed there because with monopoly services they can hire 3x the number of developers at 3x the rate of other firms and shackle them with to…

> somebody like Marissa Meyer

Marissa Mayer left Google like, 13 years ago...?

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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i have had to avoid hiring excellent candidate(s) from EU, just because they would become unflushable if it comes to that.

> just because they would become unflushable if it comes to that Your choice of verb tells a lot about what you think of your employees.

sure i am being dramatic but my point stands. if my company can’t be fluid and can’t react fast to market due to bs unions and backward laws of some land, that place is what i avoid.

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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i have had to avoid hiring excellent candidate(s) from EU, just because they would become unflushable if it comes to that.

Thats just not true. You don't sound like a big company ceo. If you have a good reason, even as a small company, and revenue / affordability is one, you can fire people. You just need to be able to pay them for min. 3 month if thats your contract length and as a business owner you should know how to calculate.

vs. i can hire in canada/ukraine/india/pakistan/china for a more skilled person with no such bs restrictions.
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