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Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by varun4 »

Is comprehending the plot of a movie theft if I can summarize it afterwards? What if I am able to hum a song pretty well after listening to it twenty times?

Now, what if I get the highest fidelity speakers and the highest fidelity microphone I can and play that song in my home. Then I use a deep learned denoiser to clean the signal and isolate the song’s true audio. Is this theft?

The answer does not matter. The genie is out of the bottle.

There’s no company like Napster to crucify anymore when high quality denoising models are already prior art and can be grown in a freaking Jupyter notebook.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by shadowgovt »

WhyOhWhyQ wrote: post #231
shadowgovt wrote: post #52

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> Obviously a horrible hideous theft machine. I mean... If I go to Google right now and do an image search for "archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip," the first picture is a not-even-changed image of Indiana Jones. Which I will then copy and paste into whatever project I'm working on without clicking through to the source page (usually because the source page is an ad-ridden mess). Perhaps the…

Your position cannot distinguish stealing somebody's likeness and looking at them.

I agree without argument. I have also thoroughly enjoyed the animatronic dead Presidents at Disney World.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by echelon »

District5524 wrote: post #579
ionwake wrote: post #534

Not sure if anyone is interested in this story, but I remember at the height of the PokemonGo craze I noticed there were no shirts for the different factions in the game, cant rememebr what they were called but something like Teamread or something. I setup an online shop to just to sell a red shirt with the word on it. The next day my whole shop was taken offline for potential copyright infringement. What I found sur…

I asked Sora to turn a random image of my friend and myself into Italian plumbers. Nothing more, just the two words "Italian plumbers". The created picture was not shown to me because it was in violation of OpenAI's content policy. I asked then just to turn the guys on the picture into plumbers, but I asked this in the Italian language. Without me asking for it, Sora put me in an overall and gave me a baseball cap, a…

OpenAI will eventually have competition for GPT 4o image generation.

They'll eventually have open source competition too. And then none of this will matter.

OmniGen is a good start, just woefully undertrained.

The VAR paper is open, from ByteDance, and supposedly the architecture this is based on.

Black Forest Labs isn't going to sit on their laurels. Their entire product offering just became worthless and lost traction. They're going to have to answer this.

I'd put $50 on ByteDance releases an open source version of this in three months.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by dcow »

api wrote: post #638
autoexec wrote: post #414

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>. Let’s say I write a book or record an album and there is no copyright. How do I get paid? I've purchased books that were in the public domain and without copyright. I've paid for albums I could already legally listen to for free. I've paid for games and movies that were free to play and watch. I'm far from the only person who has or would. The people who pirate the most are also the ones who spend the most money o…

You’re talking about individual piracy. I’m talking about huge scale corporate piracy, which is already happening (laundered through AI algorithms and other ways) and would happen a lot more if copyright vanished. Part of what muddies the water here too is that copyright lasts too long. Companies like Disney lobbied for this successfully. It should have a time horizon of maybe 25 years, 50 at most.

Well technically it wouldn’t be piracy once copyright banished. It’d be remixing, appropriation, derivative, etc., all legal.

So make copyright like patents. That’s what a lot of the copyleft movement has been arguing for forever. Make a copyright holder demonstrate their idea is unique, manifests into a tangible output, and if so protect the creator for a limited time. Everyone is free to use the work in their own provided they pay royalties at a reasonable rate for the duration of the patent.

But the status quo now with basically perpetual copyright controlled by large media conglomerates 100% stifles culture and is a net negative on society. It’s not the right to copy that needs defending, it’s the first right of a briefly protected enterprise, a reward to the creator, that needs to be protected. Copyright is like trying to cure a cough by sewing someone’s mouth shut.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by dcow »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #294
dcow wrote: post #279

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You don’t need credit to talk about pop culture. I don’t need to credit the Indian Jones copyright holder when I paint a stunning likeness of Ford in a kaki outfit with a whip, even if the holder might try to sue me over it. Copyright and credit aren’t the same.

There are also trademark protections. I heard Ford actually trademarked his likeness to ensure he got a piece of the merchandise action.

Trademarking your likeness is absurd. How do we even let that happen.

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Post by yojo »

ionwake wrote: post #534

Not sure if anyone is interested in this story, but I remember at the height of the PokemonGo craze I noticed there were no shirts for the different factions in the game, cant rememebr what they were called but something like Teamread or something. I setup an online shop to just to sell a red shirt with the word on it. The next day my whole shop was taken offline for potential copyright infringement. What I found sur…

Twenty years ago, I worked for Google AdWords as a customer service rep. This was still relatively early days, and all ads still had some level of manual human review.

The big advertisers had all furnished us a list of their trademarks and acceptable domains. Any advertiser trying to use one that wasn’t on the allow-list had their ad removed at review time.

I suspect this could be what happened to you. If the platform you were using has any kind of review process for new shops, you may have run afoul of pre-registered keywords.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by buzzy_hacker »

This is a few years old, but interesting to see Miyzaki's reaction to AI generated video.

“An insult to life itself”: Hayao Miyazaki critiques an animation made by artificial intelligence

https://qz.com/859454/the-director-of-spirited-away-says-ani...

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by simpaticoder »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #666
InDubioProRubio wrote: post #614

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Worked for china

In the context of when they want to borrow others' stuff. But then Chinese companies are _more_ than happy to take advantage of Western laws to defend their own IP. It's hypocrisy.

Your comment inspires me to write an essay titled "What's wrong with hypocrisy?" because it seems like no-one really cares about it anymore. It's like the concept itself has lost meaning. Hypocrisy a big, abstract word that has the audacity to refer to other big abstract words like "character" and "virtue" and "fairness". Now many people accused of hypocrisy say "so what?". What's going on there? It has the feel of a situation where someone says your software has memory leaks, and you say "so?" not knowing what that even means. "Hypocrisy" and "memory leaks" share the notion of a characterization of a set of flaws that can and will show themselves in many disparate ways. Powerful signals to a specialist, and noise for a generalist. And not just noise, but a signal against the critic as an elitist snob that uses words and concepts no-one understands.

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Post by conradkay »

ionwake wrote: post #534

Not sure if anyone is interested in this story, but I remember at the height of the PokemonGo craze I noticed there were no shirts for the different factions in the game, cant rememebr what they were called but something like Teamread or something. I setup an online shop to just to sell a red shirt with the word on it. The next day my whole shop was taken offline for potential copyright infringement. What I found sur…

It's hard to think of a company more aggressive with their IP than Nintendo

https://www.suedbynintendo.com/

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by jMyles »

varun4 wrote: post #691

Is comprehending the plot of a movie theft if I can summarize it afterwards? What if I am able to hum a song pretty well after listening to it twenty times? Now, what if I get the highest fidelity speakers and the highest fidelity microphone I can and play that song in my home. Then I use a deep learned denoiser to clean the signal and isolate the song’s true audio. Is this theft? The answer does not matter. The geni…

The line of thinking you've displayed here is so obviously the inevitable trajectory of the internet; it's baffling that states are still clinging to denial.

> Now, what if I get the highest fidelity speakers and the highest fidelity microphone I can and play that song in my home. Then I use a deep learned denoiser to clean the signal and isolate the song’s true audio. Is this theft?

If the answer to this becomes "yes" for some motion down this spectrum, then it seems to me that it's tantamount to prohibiting general-purpose computing.

If you can evaluate any math of your fancy using hardware that you own, then indeed you can run this tooling, and indeed your thoughts can be repaired into something closely resembling the source material.

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