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Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by _heimdall »

dataflow wrote: post #632
_heimdall wrote: post #567

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When I said "in line" I didn't mean 1:1 or 100%. I may have picked a bad phrase there, I was intending to say that there would be a strong correlation between the two and that a majority of the extra Monet would go towards price increases. I forget the general rule when it comes to companies, but there's a general percentage that is often how much a price increase on a company is passed on to consumers. If a company'…

> When I said "in line" I didn't mean 1:1 or 100%. I may have picked a bad phrase there, I was intending to say that there would be a strong correlation between the two and that a majority of the extra Monet would go towards price increases. If so, then explain how you're making the jump from "prices increase some" to "you would need Marx style price controls" or "otherwise UBI will fail to cover the necessities"? If…

Price increases as a mic drop in my opinion and I don't mean to use it that way. As far as I can tell its just an inevitability with anything like a UBI.

With regards to my claim that we'd need strong price controls, a UBI needs prices to the basics to remain stable. I won't go down the road of trying to define what "the basics" are here, that's a huge rabbit hole so let's just leave it at the broad category in general.

If everyone can afford the basics, there is more demand for those items. Supply will likely increase eventually and eat up part of the demand increase, but the rest goes to prices. When those prices go up, the UBI would have to increase to match. The whole cycle would go on in a loop unless there's some lever for the government to control the prices of anything deemed a basic necessity.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by dataflow »

_heimdall wrote: post #691
dataflow wrote: post #632

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When I said "in line" I didn't mean 1:1 or 100%. I may have picked a bad phrase there, I was intending to say that there would be a strong correlation between the two and that a majority of the extra Monet would go towards price increases. If so, then explain how you're making the jump from "prices increase some" to "you would need Marx style price controls" or "otherwise UBI will fail to cover the necessities"? If…

Price increases as a mic drop in my opinion and I don't mean to use it that way. As far as I can tell its just an inevitability with anything like a UBI. With regards to my claim that we'd need strong price controls, a UBI needs prices to the basics to remain stable. I won't go down the road of trying to define what "the basics" are here, that's a huge rabbit hole so let's just leave it at the broad category in gener…

> When those prices go up, the UBI would have to increase to match. The whole cycle would go on in a loop unless there's some lever for the government to control the prices

No. Just because something increases forever that doesn't mean it won't stabilize. Asymptotes, limits, and convergence are also a thing. You're making strong divergence claims that don't follow from your assumptions.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by newswasboring »

sumeno wrote: post #670
simonw wrote: post #656

The search index is provided by Brave: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/21/anthropic-use-brave/ - Brave is now listed as a subprocessor on the Anthropic Trust Center portal - Search results for "interesting pelican facts" from Claude and Brave were an exact match - If you ask Claude for the definition of its web_search tool one of the properties is called "BraveSearchParams"

Very disappointing, Brave is the last company I want my data going to

Why? I am not aware of what's wrong with them.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by eddd-ddde »

dartos wrote: post #535
Almondsetat wrote: post #111

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>looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. LLMs are truly reaching human-like behavior then

Splitting hairs, but LLMs themselves don’t search. LLMs themselves don’t choose the top X. That’s all regular flows written by humans run via tool calls after the intent of your message has been funneled into one of a few pre-defined intents.

How do you know? You could 100% create the tool to search and chose results, go through links, read more pages, etc.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by throw234234234 »

mattlutze wrote: post #597
throw234234234 wrote: post #460

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I'm not sure about that. For them to actually be economically useful is a high bar. More so than you think - it isn't just our brains but our strength, metabolisms, and more in a single package. For example you need them to: - High energy requirements in varied env's: Run all day (and maybe all night too which MAY be advantage against humans). In many environments this means much better power sources than current bat…

From a very inhuman perspective, and one I don't find appropriate to generally use: A human physical worker is a high capital and operational expense. A robot may not have such high costs in the end. Before a human physical worker can start being productive, they need to be educated for 10-16+ years, while being fed, clothed, sheltered and entertained. Then they require ongoing income to fund their personal food, clo…

While I agree with you this cost isn't really borne by the people employing the human. Maybe the community, the taxpayer, even parents, but not the employer. As such these costs you mention are "sunk" - in the end as an employer I either take on a human ready to go or try to develop robots. That cost is subsidized effectively via community agreement not just for economics but for societal reasons. Generally as an trades employer I'm not "big tech" with billions of dollars in my back pocket to try R&D on long shots like AI/Google Deepmind/etc that most people thought would never go anywhere (i.e. the AI winter) - I'm usually a small business servicing a given area.

I'm not saying the robots aren't coming - just that it will take longer and being disrupted last gives you the most opportunity to extract higher income for longer and switch to capital vs labor for your income. I wouldn't be surprised if robots don't make any inroads into the average person's live in the coming decade for example. As intellectual fields are disrupted purchasing power will transfer to the rest of society including people not yet affected by the robots making capital accumulation for them even easier at the expense of AI disrupted fields.

It is a MUCH safer path to provide for yourself and others assuming capitalism in a field that is comparatively scarce with high demand. Scarcity and barriers to entry (i.e. moats) are rewarded through higher prices/wages/etc. Efficiency while beneficial for society as a whole (output per resource increases) tends to punish the efficient since their product comparatively is less scarce than others. This is because, given same purchasing power (money supply) this makes intelligence goods cheaper and other less disrupted goods more expensive all else being equal. I find tech people often don't have a good grasp of how efficiency and "cool tech" interacts with economics and society in general.

In the age of AI the value of education and intelligence per unit diminishes relative to other economic traits (e.g. dexterity, social skills, physical fitness, etc). Its almost ironic that the intellectuals themselves, from a capitalistic viewpoint, will be the ones that destroy their own social standing and worth comparatively to others. Nepotism, connections and skilled physical labor will have a higher advantage in the new world compared to STEM/intelligence based fields. Will be telling my kids to really think before taking on a STEM career for example - AI punishes this career path economically and socially IMO.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by throw234234234 »

cruffle_duffle wrote: post #388
agrippanux wrote: post #282

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I had a similar conversation with my CEO today - how does the incoming crop of college grads deal with the fact AI can do a lot of entry level jobs? This is especially timely for me as my son is about to enter college. So I ended up posing the question to Claude and the response was “figure out how to work with me or pick a field I can’t do” which was pretty much a flex.

Ask your CEO why the AI can’t replace their job. Because most of their job is just regurgitating what an LLM might spit out.

That's easy. The CEO has authority and social connections, has done mutual beneficial deals, has the soft skills/position to command authority over others, has leverage over others, etc which is an economic asset. In an AI world this skill comparatively is MORE scarce than intelligence based skills (e.g. coding, math, physics, etc) and so will attract a greater premium. Nepotism and other economic advantages will play a bigger world in a AI world.

AI rewards the skills it does not disrupt. Trades, sales people, deal makers, hustlers, etc will do well in the future at least relatively to knowledge workers and academics. There will be the disruptors that get rich for sure (e.g. AI developers) for a period of time until they too make themselves redundant, but on average their wealth gain is more than dwarfed by the whole industry's decline.

Another case of tech workers equating worth to effort and output; when really in our capitalistic system worth is correlated to scarcity. How hard you work/produce has little to do with who gets the wealth.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by sdenton4 »

_heimdall wrote: post #666
sdenton4 wrote: post #625

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More like a labor subsidy, backed by taxes... Which would need a minimum wage law as well. This seems like a great idea to me! Making it cheaper for businesses to hire people for these jobs would lower prices for everyone, improving accessibility of the services.

I may just be missing how this would work. How would this help lower prices? The taxes have to be paid for by someone, and that cost should largely end up landing on the consumer. It seems like we'd be changing who's hands the money moves through, but it still has to be paid for one way or another. If that's the case we'd risk higher prices since taxes have to subsidize prices and cover all the costs of running the p…

Tax the rich, and use the funds to pay a portion of the wages in targeted jobs, reducing the amount that the business has to pay to hit minimum wage. Then businesses continue competing on prices, but have substantially lower labor costs, bringing down prices for everyone.

In the end, you use money from the rich to pay for socially beneficial jobs. Exactly the sort of thing government is for: ensuring that social goods are provided.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

tim333 wrote: post #669
cruffle_duffle wrote: post #639

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It’s a lost cause. He didn’t make such a salute but that doesn’t stop people from seeing what they want to believe. Extreme political tribalism is absolutely destroying human discourse.

Compare Musk doing a my heart goes out gesture https://x.com/kingore91/status/1884580205185954045 to Musk doing the nazi like gesture https://x.com/iam_smx/status/1881583500991889729 I think there's a difference. To me him saying my heart goes out after the second one was trying to cover his arse which seems to have fooled few people who see the videos. And I'm not sure about the tribalism thing - I was kind of a Mus…

Sorry calling him a nazi for that salute is just crazy. Insane, really.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

MattSayar wrote: post #626
knowaveragejoe wrote: post #612

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Using the fetch MCP tool(which is very basic) works fairly well for me, though various sites will block it from time to time. https://github.com/modelcontextprotocol/servers/tree/main/sr...

> though various sites will block it from time to time. The page itself describes a --ignore-robots-txt and customizing the user agent. Guess we can just all copy OpenAI and continue to make SourceHut's life miserable /s This is a cool tool, thanks for sharing

For what it's worth, it's fetch under the hood. More akin to curl than automated scraping.
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