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>The purpose of having an executive branch of government is explicitly to apply the law based on subjective opinions. What? No, the purpose of having a separate executive is separation of powers and checks and balances.

You haven't explained why there is an executive branch in the first place. Why does the executive branch exist at all if it's simply to enforce written law? Why do we elect the executive at all if they are merely to enforce written law? Why do executives have the power to pardon someone when a court of law finds a person guilty of breaking law?

> Why does the executive branch exist at all if it's simply to enforce written law?

Someone has to be in charge of enforcing things.

> Why do we elect the executive at all if they are merely to enforce written law?

Do you have a suggestion of another way to do it that doesn't put congress in charge?

Also the president has some other very important roles.

> Why do executives have the power to pardon someone when a court of law finds a person guilty of breaking law?

That one is definitely subjective by its nature, but also the average number of pardons is around two thousand, a very small fraction of cases.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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It really screwed over a lot of regular working-class people. In some European cities getting a taxi license was a serious monetary investment. People took our huge loans for this. This was now suddenly worthless. It's like being told your very expensive university education is no longer accredited, but the student loan still exists. kthxbye. I'm not saying the existing systems were always good (they weren't), but yo…

I always tell the story of this restaurant 18 km from my house. If I order their cheapest 6 euro hamburger they deliver it for free within 30 minutes. If I take a taxi to the restaurant I may have to wait for an hour and it costs about 100 euro and another 100 to get back.

I took a ~20 minute 12km taxi ride just last Monday, and it was about €22. That's in Ireland. Considering fuel, the drive back for the driver, and that taxis have a lot of downtime, that seems like a reasonable price.

You live in Netherlands according to a recent comment; I can't believe taxis are almost 4x more expensive, unless you're stuck in traffic for a long time, but then your burger can't arrive in 30 mins?

And free delivery on €6 food item is almost certainly netting them a loss.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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> Taxi Medallion laws were also a Reputation Engine that was publicly queryable , subject to FOIA laws and generally had easy to search public databases for them, with detailed notes. You just landed at the airport and need a cab. You fax your FOIA requests for each of the hundred cab companies in the area, which they're required to provide within 20 business days. Your return flight is in 3 days and it would be nice…

> You just landed at the airport and need a cab. You fax your FOIA requests for each of the hundred cab companies in the area, which they're required to provide within 20 business days. Your return flight is in 3 days and it would be nice to leave the airport before then. If you just landed at the airport, you rely on police enforcement keeping bad actors from having medallions. The medallion itself is the primary "t…

> If you just landed at the airport, you rely on police enforcement keeping bad actors from having medallions.

Well that's not going to work. You now have people from outside the jurisdiction having a government they didn't elect cast in the role of their protectors. Instead what happens is the local government protects the incumbents, which is what we've seen in practice.

> Many cities required taxis to have their medallion number painted on the outside, and there were phone numbers you could quickly call (in the days of payphones even) to get quick information about a medallion or to report a complaint/problem with one.

As opposed to the license plates already on all cars?

> The history of taxi companies say that they are only as open as they are forced to be.

People keep trying to regard Uber as a taxi company. They keep claiming to be an app, because... they are. So replace the app with an open source one. Create an independent non-profit to handle payments and maintain a server to hold the driver ratings and take a small cut of the payments to cover its costs. Operate it as a live auction where drivers list how much they'll charge per mile and riders pick a driver based on their rating and price. Publish all the data.

If you do it well, people will use it voluntarily. If you do it poorly, you haven't demonstrated enough competence to be trusted making regulations that people would have to follow even if they're dumb.

> Competition is not the problem; destroying public safety regulations in the name of competition is the problem.

The problem is that incumbents call the things they use to destroy competition "public safety regulations".

> Neither would want to do that because their rating systems are secret sauce and "competitive advantage", they would need to be coerced by regulations.

Not when you can "coerce" them through competition. If people like the ratings system which is more open or the one that extracts lower margins and the app is otherwise fungible with theirs, they don't even exist unless they can be better than the competing system you created to do better, which implies that you failed to actually do better and then they're supposed to win. Which in turn applies pressure on the public system to do better itself, instead of getting captured, because if it gets captured then it becomes uncompetitive and actually has competition.

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This argument ignores the fact that there were other alternatives to Uber at the time, ones that didn't break the law! Believe it or not, there were multiple ride hailing apps on the iPhone, but none were as great at accumulating capital or breaking the law without recourse.

The only alternative I remember is "black car" services, eg airport limos and the like. But there was very little automation around it; you had to speak on the phone with someone to book, and it was always like 24+ hours out rather than "go to the place now" the way a cab is.

Most taxi services will send a car to your address immediately, no reservation required. Problem is, you have to know the exact address where you want to be picked up, which can sometimes be difficult to determine if you're new in town and/or standing on a street with no obvious sign or address, e.g. on the edge of a large university campus. That's where GPS-driven apps really shine, plus the ability to see the car's location in near real-time, and why I will never be sad at the demise of traditional way of having to call a cab.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Move the goalposts any more and they’re going to be outside the stadium. What laws matter to you? I agree there are shit laws but why can uber break them with impunity but individuals are jailed for smoking some fun lettuce?

The question you should be asking is, what do you want to do about it? Throw the people challenging the taxi cartels in prison, or get rid of the laws against fun lettuce?

Why isn't at least one of those things actually addressing (disbanding, regulating, whatever--left to people experienced in policy or with context to have some remediation plan) those taxi cartels' behavior?

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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I rooted for Uber to smash the Taxi cartels. Let us not forget that Taxi Cartels were also insidious beasts. Taxi drivers abused their walled garden with their price gouging by taking longer routes, refusal to take a credit card, and extremely poorly maintained fleets of vehicles. I have had mostly good experiences with Uber, whereas I had experiences that mostly bordered on general condescension toward me whenever I…

Uber definitely improved things. When traveling it’s also so much safer than taxis. My brother was robbed at gunpoint in a taxi. My wife had to jump from more than one moving taxi to escape. My ex girlfriend too. My Swiss friend had his camera and wallet stolen. You can have issues with Uber too, but not as frequently because there’s a digital audit trail, you can report them to the platform and the police. The threa…

Were these acts committed by the drivers or somebody else?

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. But I think there is a broader point to make here. Youtube was initially a ghost town (it started as a dating site) and it only got traction once people started uploading copyrighted TV shows to it. Google itself got big by indexing other people's data without compensation. Spotify's music library was also pirated in the…

> Spotify's music library was also pirated in the early days. I want to know more, please enlighten me (anyone who knows). I read the book "The Spotify Play" and it made it seem like the pirated music was an internal-only thing and not something available to customers. Is that true?

"Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Costs of the Perfect Playlist" by Liz Pelly goes into more detail about their origins and the culture around piracy in Sweden at the time.

https://lizpelly.info/book

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Swartz wasn't the kind of person to accept a plea bargain from an overzealous prosecutor who was indicting him on 13 felony charges with a possible sentence up to 35 years along with a $1 million fine. I assume he wanted a trial because he wanted to continue his fight for open access. And maybe he thought he might lose, but wouldn't lose on all counts, and would make the prosecution look unreasonable in the public ey…

His criminality is one matter, but the full weight of the Federal Government on him was an entirely separate matter. A federal prosecutor's job is to jail you regardless of whether it is for downloading a file from a server or for trafficking in humans, and they will come at you with the same vigor regardless of the crime. And nothing has changed about that.

Treating a human trafficker and someone who downloaded some files from a server the same is not in the job description of a prosecutor. What an absurd statement. It's very much the job of a prosecutor to make judgements about the severity of the crime and how to respond. And in this case, the prosecutor showed incredibly poor judgement. There wasn't even a particular reason why the case should go federal in the first place. The state prosecutor saw things very differently.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. But I think there is a broader point to make here. Youtube was initially a ghost town (it started as a dating site) and it only got traction once people started uploading copyrighted TV shows to it. Google itself got big by indexing other people's data without compensation. Spotify's music library was also pirated in the…

Exactly. We need leaders with the political will to apply a "financial death penalty" to companies that engage in this kind of brazen behavior. That means all assets seized, the company dissolved, personal assets of executives seized, executives jailed. People running companies should live in mortal fear of ever doing the things that they routinely do today.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

#700
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That's a functionally meaningless distinction. If you setup a web server that responds to requests, then you're choosing to make content available because your server can choose to not respond to requests. The entire protocol includes mechanisms to negotiate access.

Granting access and granting right to redistribute (even just title + snippet) and use your content commercially are two completely different things.

And yet it is legal to produce and redistribute summaries as sufficiently transformative derivative works, and this has been court tested[1]. Of course in Australia we passed rather specific laws to the contrary, because lo and behold Rupert Murdoch wanted money and gosh darn it our government was going to give it to him[2].

[1] https://www.practicalecommerce.com/Search-Engines-Indexing-a...

[2] https://www.alrc.gov.au/publication/copyright-and-the-digita...

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