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U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

kridsdale1 wrote: post #665
mark_l_watson wrote: post #663

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is up with the UK? I have always loved my British friends and appreciated England’s history (setting aside their brutality during the British Empire). I just don’t understand where they went wrong on curtailing free speech rights of their citizens, privacy rights, etc. I just hope we in the USA don’t follow their lead. Democracies without free speech and privacy are not really democracies.

> I just don’t understand where they went wrong on curtailing free speech rights of their citizens, privacy rights, etc. Isn’t this precisely the set of causes that precipitated The Declaration of Independence?

Yes but no, post WW2 the UK was one of the most liberal places in the world. Somehow things took a turn in the past two decades or so. And then around the 2020s the decline started to rapidly accelerate. The stories that have come out lately are really insane.

Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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Post by bilekas »

TrueDuality wrote: post #441
bilekas wrote: post #79

> requires that Apple creates a back door that allows UK security officials unencumbered access to encrypted user data worldwide How could this even be enforced if Apple pulls out cloud services of the UK ? It's such a ridiculous request, the British Intelligence agencies must be bored coming up with new ways to make Apple look good.

As long as Apple has a business presence in the UK, they are subject to the laws the UK imposes on them even if they're vastly overreaching and impose on other government's citizens. Not supporting cloud services wouldn't be sufficient to avoid the compliance requirement, they would have to formerly stop doing business in the UK. Looking at the market size that might be a decision that Apple is willing to make as it…

I think this is the most solid answer I’ve seen so far that makes any sense. Could they still go through with it , I’m not sure, they want to project some influence but I still feel this is like haggling for half price to get cost.

Someone else here said something spot on for me, we’re all focusing on how bat sh*t this is because it’s global without even considering how human privacy obligations are just ignored.

Humans have a right to privacy, feels unbelievably pretentious and privileged to even say that. But it’s still true

Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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Post by gspetr »

xp84 wrote: post #661
Lio wrote: post #273

I don't think the UK government would try to put Apple out of business if they don't comply it's more likely that they would just get heavily fined until they do so. The most likely outcome, I would guess, is that Apple just stop offering Advanced Data Protection as a service in the UK rather than create some kind of backdoor. It's a weak proposition from the government because anyone with something to hide will just…

Yes, encryption is one of the most “cat’s out of the bag” situations - even assuming every company worldwide is cowed into submission by governments to add back doors, all they’re going to be catching is the dumb and unsophisticated criminals and even that will diminish as even the dummies realize every text and call is wiretapped once people start seeing their private communiques come out in court. I suppose there a…

> the dumb and unsophisticated criminals

This appears to be majority of them if Brian Krebs is to be trusted. Very few have proper OPSEC, fewer still are disciplined enough to prevent cross contaminating their virtual identities.

Even if you keep your communications airtight, boneheaded decisions when they move the money from cyberspace into meatspace are quite common: people living way beyond their means, 22 y/o's buying $200K+ cars without proper income records get caught quickly once people start looking.

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Post by 8note »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #691
kridsdale1 wrote: post #665

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just don’t understand where they went wrong on curtailing free speech rights of their citizens, privacy rights, etc. Isn’t this precisely the set of causes that precipitated The Declaration of Independence?

Yes but no, post WW2 the UK was one of the most liberal places in the world. Somehow things took a turn in the past two decades or so. And then around the 2020s the decline started to rapidly accelerate. The stories that have come out lately are really insane.

the UK has been ahead of the US on anti-liberal policies for the past decade or more.

bexit came before the trump election

Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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Post by 8note »

altairprime wrote: post #498
reaperducer wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK is betting that Apple’s greed outweighs their principles. Long odds. Three weeks ago, I would have agreed with you. Then Tim Cook wrote a check for $1,000,000.00 to help pay for Donald Trump's inauguration party.† In spite of what they led us to believe over the last couple of decades, Tim Cook and Apple are no different than any of the other tech companies genuflecting before the new emperor, whose stated goa…

As Apple isn’t based in the UK and owes no fealty to their government. I don’t agree that your citation is relevant here. Apple is a US company. Bribing local officials to overlook the gay founder is sensible corporate practices, however uncomfortable that is to consider. Revoking privacy guarantees globally, reversing years of public opinion gains overnight, is not. The UK cannot do anything to materially harm Apple…

the UK could force a sale of apple assets to whatever degree theyre happy with for apple's new owner to keep operating in the UK

Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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Post by crooked-v »

8note wrote: post #695
altairprime wrote: post #498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As Apple isn’t based in the UK and owes no fealty to their government. I don’t agree that your citation is relevant here. Apple is a US company. Bribing local officials to overlook the gay founder is sensible corporate practices, however uncomfortable that is to consider. Revoking privacy guarantees globally, reversing years of public opinion gains overnight, is not. The UK cannot do anything to materially harm Apple…

the UK could force a sale of apple assets to whatever degree theyre happy with for apple's new owner to keep operating in the UK

That sounds like the kind of thing that would lead to the countries where those assets are actually located saying "haha, no".

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Post by ksec »

reaperducer wrote: post #687
ksec wrote: post #669

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Care to explain yourself?

Which word did you not understand?

So which part of Time Capsule is not a good idea? Since you said directly I didn't think it through. But given how rude you have replied and I have already given you the benefits of doubt to explain, may be better not to reply.

From an account of 30k karma I expected better.

Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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Post by hackernoops »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #565

The complete lack of any kind of technological understanding by the people in power of most major governments is a huge existential risk. Thankfully businesses like Apple are completely staked on privacy, but Apple is actually big enough to give a middle finger to the UK. Other companies might not be able to.

>The complete lack of any kind of technological understanding by the people in power

Naive implication. They're authoritarian henchmen.

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Post by hackernoops »

n1b0m wrote: post #294
pastyboy wrote: post #287

"Stupid is as stupid does...", this is the same Home Office Minister, Yvette Cooper (Flipper) that says pointy kitchen knives and Amazon orders are the reason for knife crime epidemic in the UK. Next up x.com banned from the UK.

What is the reason?

Covering for Muslim terrorism.
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