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TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users

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Re: TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users

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Post by tokioyoyo »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #626

> We thank President Trump for providing the necessary clarity and assurance to our service providers that they will face no penalties providing TikTok to over 170 million Americans These are literally just promises from Trump that these companies are relying on, not an actual change to the law, just a promise that he won't enforce it against them? Sounds like an utterly insane business decision that they'll regret a…

It’s not an insane business decision, but the easiest way to garner support for your preferred candidate. Anyone who is 24/7 on TikTok (there are a lot of them) will now say how Trump saved the app. And kinda, technically, they’re not wrong (if you ignore the history).

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Post by beeflet »

TomK32 wrote: post #331
shihab wrote: post #8

Is anyone aware of any opinion poll among US population about banning tiktok? This to me feels like one of the issues with potentially largest disconnect between voters and politicians Edit: found one from Pew. "The share of Americans who support the U.S. government banning TikTok now stands at 32%." Sept 05, 2024. In contrast, 87% US lawmakers voted for the law that caused this.

I often wonder what value a survey has if those surveyed have not enough information and facts at hand.

it's irrelevant in politics because they are still going to act on their own level of information regardless.

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Post by Zak »

bcye wrote: post #684
Zak wrote: post #666

This satisfies my curiosity about why TikTok didn't try to push app users to the website, which is not so easy to ban. They were always hoping to cozy up to Trump by offering him the opportunity to "save" TikTok. It's only for 90 days though, unless Trump decides to completely ignore his duty to enforce the law (a distinct possibility).

Couldn't the web version still pretty essily be enforceable via ISPs, etc.

My reading of the law does not require ISPs to block customers from accessing TikTok. US-based CDNs would be unable to provide hosting, but that just makes it less efficient, not inaccessible.

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Post by jameshart »

bearcobra wrote: post #523

Despite my own feelings on the ban, this kind of royal court politics is the worst potential outcome. Disregarding a law that was passed by a bipartisan majority, signed into law by the president and ruled on by the supreme courts feels like the start of a very dangerous path. Not to mention the prosecutorial discretion may be creating massive liability that the new administration could use to extract favors from som…

We are watching the norm be created that ‘what apps we are allowed to use’ is something that is in the personal gift of Donald Trump.

That is a very weird precedent for us to be setting.

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Post by MangoCoffee »

Aloisius wrote: post #681
Brystephor wrote: post #34

What's that saying? The best way to get a promotion is to cause a problem and then fix it? Political things aside, it's crazy to see so much of a flip-flop so quickly. Has there been any other behavior like this in the past where a company "shut themselves down" to make a big political statement and then almost immediately undid the shut down?

Trump going soft on China was predictable.

Trump's biggest backers, Elon Musk, Jeff Yass...etc. all have ties with China.

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Post by tomtomtom777 »

hot_gril wrote: post #595
bearcobra wrote: post #523

Despite my own feelings on the ban, this kind of royal court politics is the worst potential outcome. Disregarding a law that was passed by a bipartisan majority, signed into law by the president and ruled on by the supreme courts feels like the start of a very dangerous path. Not to mention the prosecutorial discretion may be creating massive liability that the new administration could use to extract favors from som…

The actual bad precedent set here is that the US executive branch has the authority to censor the media.

That is incorrect in this case. The "censoring" was done by the legislative branch, congress.

The "uncensoring" is done by the executive branch.

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Post by YurgenJurgensen »

coliveira wrote: post #432
hcurtiss wrote: post #224

By saying China's using Tik Tok to subvert "democracy," aren't we really saying voters are not individual agents but rather a mob subject to manipulation by propaganda? I sometimes cannot believe it's those who so loudly cry about threats to "democracy" that simultaneously take such a cynical view of the democratic process. Rather than tackle the narratives substantively, they'd argue about who gets to manipulate the…

The US gov has just made the case for banning US owned social networks around the world, because they truly believe that social networks is a way for a foreign agents to interfere in local politics.

This is misleading. Most of the places that might want to ban US social networks were already doing so.

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Post by marbro »

Congratulations to Trump to standing up for freedom and against all 9 Supreme Court justices that refused to enforce the First Amendment. People should be free to speak as much as they want on TikTok even though it's mostly useless chatter. In the Koramatsu decision of 1943, legalizing concentration camps for Japanese-Americans, there were 3 dissenting justices. I wish we had some this time.

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

mvdtnz wrote: post #656
ourmandave wrote: post #636

Just google Salt Typhoon, (I'll wait), and then tell me you want the TikTok app on 102M+ US citizens devices.

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The commentary is quite obviously there. Don’t confuse your lack of understanding with a lack of content.

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Post by dagss »

pantalaimon wrote: post #455
hcurtiss wrote: post #224

By saying China's using Tik Tok to subvert "democracy," aren't we really saying voters are not individual agents but rather a mob subject to manipulation by propaganda? I sometimes cannot believe it's those who so loudly cry about threats to "democracy" that simultaneously take such a cynical view of the democratic process. Rather than tackle the narratives substantively, they'd argue about who gets to manipulate the…

> China's using Tik Tok to subvert "democracy" And has there ever been an example for that or is it just a hypothetical scenario?

No one can possibly know. They just have all the power to do it very efficiently, without anyone noticing.
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