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Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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The increasing TDP trend is going crazy for the top-tier consumer cards: 3090 - 350W 3090 Ti - 450W 4090 - 450W 5090 - 575W 3x3090 (1050W) is less than 2x5090 (1150W), plus you get 72GB of VRAM instead of 64GB, if you can find a motherboard that supports 3 massive cards or good enough risers (apparently near impossible?).

Can you actually use multiple videocards easily with existing AI model tools?

I just made a video on this very thing: https://youtu.be/JtbyA94gffc

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Similar CUDA core counts for most SKUs compared to last gen (except in the 5090 vs. 4090 comparison). Similar clock speeds compared to the 40-series. The 5090 just has way more CUDA cores and uses proportionally more power compared to the 4090, when going by CUDA core comparisons and clock speed alone. All of the "massive gains" were comparing DLSS and other optimization strategies to standard hardware rendering. Som…

> All of the "massive gains" were comparing DLSS and other optimization strategies to standard hardware rendering. > Something tells me Nvidia made next to no gains for this generation. Sounds to me like they made "massive gains". In the end, what matters to gamers is 1. Do my games look good? 2. Do my games run well? If I can go from 45 FPS to 120 FPS and the quality is still there, I don't care if it's because of f…

>Do my games look good

i d like to point you to r/FuckTAA

>Do my games run well

if the internal logic is still in sub 120 hz and it is a twichy game, then no

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240Hz or higher monitors. 4K is enough for spatial resolution then it is better to increase temporal resolution. 4K at 240Hz stops looking like looking at a screen and starts looking out a window.

4K alone is not enough to define spatial resolution. You also need take into account physical dimensions. DPI is a better way to describe spatial resolution. Anything better than 200 DPI is good, better than 300 is awesome. Unfortunately, there are no 4K displays with 200+ DPI on the market. If you want high DPI you either need pick glossy 5k@27" or go to 6k/8k.

> Unfortunately, there are no 4K displays with 200+ DPI on the market.

There are 4k 24" monitors (almost 200 DPI) and 4k 18.5" portable monitors (more than 200 DPI) you can buy nowadays

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Batteries and capacitors would serve different functions. Capacitors primarily isolate each individual chip and subsystem on a PCB from high frequency power fluctuations when digital circuits switch or larger loads turn on or off. You would still need to use capacitors for that. The purpose of the batteries would be to support high loads on the order of minutes that exceed the actual wall plug capacity to deliver ele…

It is the same function on different time scales. If you had a big enough capacitor, you could achieve the same thing. Not coincidentally, the capacitors in PSUs are huge, although not battery sized in terms of capacity. The purpose of the capacitors in the PSU is to keep things powered during a power outage to allow for a UPS to switch to battery. The technical term for this is PSU hold up time.

I consider smoothing out high frequency power fluctuations and providing power over a period of minutes that exceeds the capacity of the wall plug to be conceptually two different functions, even if they have similarities.

You’re right that a large enough capacitor could do that, and I’ve worked with high voltage supercapacitor systems which can provide tens of watts for minutes, but the cost is so high that lithium batteries typically make more sense.

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it's possible, but idk why you would expect that. just to pick an arbitrary example since steve ran some recent tests, a 1080 ti is more or less equal to a 4060 in raster performance, but needs more than double the power and a much more die area to do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghT7G_9xyDU we do see power requirements on the high end parts every generation, but that may be to maintain the desired SKU price p…

how many customers care about raster performance?

I do. Ray tracing, DLSS and especially frame-gen cause all sorts of weird visual artifacts. I'd rather just do without any of them.

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Will NEXT decade be possible? 8k traditional rendering at 144Hz is a lot of pixels. We are seeing a 25%/3 years improvement cycle on traditional rendering at this point, and we need about 8x improvement in current performance to get there. 2040 is definitely possible, but certainly not guaranteed.

So at 2040 we might be able to render at top 2025 display specs. Makes you wonder how far ahead displays will be in 2040. I can imagine display prices falling in price and increasing in quality to the point where many homes just have displays paneled around the walls instead of paint.

You won't be using display panels / monitors at all. It will be the Apple Vision Pro 14 Pro Max. A tiny thing you touch on your head and you view the rasterized world at 12k 120fps all around you.

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Sounds like you might be more the target for the $3k 128GB DIGITS machine.

Weirdly they're advertising "1 petaflop of AI performance at FP4 precision" [1] when they're advertising the 5090 [2] as having 3352 "AI TOPS" (presumably equivalent to "3 petaflops at FP4 precision"). The closest graphics card they're selling is the 5070 with a GPU performing at 988 "AI TOPS" [2].... [1] https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-puts-grace-blackwe... [2] https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics…

It seems like they're entirely different units?

TOPS means Tera Operations Per Second.

Petaflops means Peta Floating Point Operations Per Second.

... which, at least to my uneducated mind here, doesn't sound comparable.

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So you are saying that Nvidia will finally force USA to the 220V standard? :)

The U.S. has been 240V for over a century. It uses split phase which has opposite phases on each hot line to let you take one and connect it to neutral to get 120V. If you connect both hot lines, you get 240V. For some reason, people in Europe and other places are unaware of this despite this having been the case since electrification happened in the early 20th century.

Then you could also say that Europe uses 400 V. You get three-phase power with 230 V phases in your home, and high-powered appliances are often designed to use all three phases.

But when people speak of voltages, they usually mean what you get from a typical socket.

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Why are you upset how a frame is generated? We're not talking about free range versus factory farming. Here, a frame is a frame and if your eye can't tell the difference then it's as good as any other.

let me just apply my super proprietary machine learning architecture... ah yes it's done, behold, I can generate 3.69 trillion frames per second, because I compressed each frame to a single bit and that's how fast the CPU's memory bus is

He said "if your eyes can't tell the difference", which is obviously false in your case.

And obviously false with DLSS.

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Weirdly they're advertising "1 petaflop of AI performance at FP4 precision" [1] when they're advertising the 5090 [2] as having 3352 "AI TOPS" (presumably equivalent to "3 petaflops at FP4 precision"). The closest graphics card they're selling is the 5070 with a GPU performing at 988 "AI TOPS" [2].... [1] https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-puts-grace-blackwe... [2] https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics…

It seems like they're entirely different units? TOPS means Tera Operations Per Second. Petaflops means Peta Floating Point Operations Per Second. ... which, at least to my uneducated mind here, doesn't sound comparable.

I'm assuming that the operations being referred to in both cases are fp4 floating point operations. Mostly because

1. That's used for AI, so it's plausibly what they mean by "AI OPS"

2. It's generally a safe bet that the marketing numbers NVIDIA gives you is going to be for the fastest operations on the computers, and that those are the same for both computers when they're based on the same architecture.

Other than that, Terra is 10^12, Peta is 10^15, so 3352 Tera ops is 3.352 Peta ops and so on.

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