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Who killed the rave?
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Re: Who killed the rave?
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This seems like way too complex an explanation when a much simpler alternative is possible. Most people are simply not that virtuous, because by definition the vast majority of the population has to have mediocre virtues or be in that ballpark range. So ‘radical transparency’ reveals as much negative as positive, on average.
Sure, that's the first step. But the next step was how society would change (or not), suddenly realizing that most people are simply not that virtuous. Certainly not as much as their previously perception-dominant "best face" made them seem to be. Instead of accepting that, we seem to still be taking pot shots at leaders or prospective leaders for faults. Or... maybe Trump's twice electability is an indicator that mo…
Why are you assuming there must be a ‘next step’?
The general population can just not care about a ‘next step’ on average…?
Re: Who killed the rave?
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> why doesn't someone introduce a legislation to tax vacant second homes at astronomical rates They tried this in China. People would just get divorced so each partner had their own home. It turns out you can easily find someone in your family to "buy" a house as well.
Vacant home doesn't mean a house with no owner. I am not sure how getting divorced makes vacant home occupied.
if someone shows up there 3-4 days a week, how would you know? Even China doesn't have the surveillance setup to tell if someone is living in a house or not (well, they can check to see if it is renovated, and can check to see if the lights turn on at night). It isn't really a rule of law society, so you can't use "the trust but sometimes verify system" they used in Vancouver, and it is definitely not like Switzerland where your neighbors are constantly spying on you. It is a bit counter intuitive, but checking on these things is harder in China than in the west.
Re: Who killed the rave?
#694Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think this is entirely true. Most people are normal, but if I'm a woman dating a young conservative man. That conservative has a non-zero chance to actually believe shit like "your body, my choice." Probably don't want to be dating that guy. It's not a guarantee, but a danger signal.
Upvoted you, because opinions should be safe to voice even if one disagrees with them. This does appear to be a common concern. I also happen to know many families that vote Republican where the woman also happens to "wear the pants".
100% of modern misogynistic rhetoric and all the new erosion of women’s rights is coming from the right. Ignoring that fact is just stupid. “Wearing the pants” doesn’t mean shit when they also vote a rapist into office.
Re: Who killed the rave?
#695Earlier quoted context omitted.
Insider cool points. TBH I find it sad to be doing this at great expense but not putting any effort into making something accessible for younger generations.
They are making accessible to younger generations - many regional doofs and burn adjacent events I have been to are all ages, existing members bring their kids. If you are asking why they don't go out of their way to advertise to outsiders, it's because these events do not scale well, and what they absolutely do not want are thousands of insta/tiktok tourists who don't contribute back to the scene or bring extra scru…
Nailed it all around. I see lots of small kids at the things. Whatever mental image people have of raves, everyone looks out for the little ones. We want them to have fun in a safe environment. There are tons of 20-somethings having a good time in perhaps a higher production quality setting than they’d normally be around.
The last things we want are people doing stupid crap to make the law have to come around, or to make it all about themselves at the expense of others’ enjoyment.
Re: Who killed the rave?
#696One big change is that they got better and much more organized. I go to an annual event with a few hundred of my friends and family. We rent a lodge in a national forest, set up an enormous sound system, and dance for 3 days around some very confused deer. There are food trucks and coffee bars and dozens of portapotties scattered around, plus daytime poolside sets while we swim around and listen to 100dB house. We gr…
I was up there this summer, great weekend :)
Right on! I missed this summer and the fall classic, but plan to head back to at least one of them this year.
(My social media profile pic is me wearing neon glasses there one year.)
Re: Who killed the rave?
#697Earlier quoted context omitted.
Imho, the internet / mobile apps have drastically atrophied younger generations' face-to-face social interaction skills. And specifically their appetite for the risk/discomfort that goes along with living in realtime physical moments with other people. Human beings are awkward as hell, but that's what laughter and tolerance are the bridges for.
There’s an unspoken phrase here, it’s “in the way I think it should be done”. Just because the younger generation are doing things differently it doesn’t make them wrong, in my generation it was sending text messages that was wrong because we weren’t talking on the phone. Before that it was talking on the phone rather than going to people’s houses. I’ll also add what my psychologist told me. Social skills aren’t inna…
You say it doesn't make them wrong, but you also clearly illustrate the decline of a skillset which is essential to maintaining the social fabric across a large swathe of the population. Sounds like a pretty big problem to me.
Re: Who killed the rave?
#698Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The production value is quite high now and still improving so I don't see why the illicit rave experience would be so interesting when the facilities would be so lacking in comparison A few reasons: 1. security at official music events are often complete arseholes and can totally destroy the vibe. Think of all the row rent chip on their shoulder wannabe cops, then place them in a field of drunk partying adults with…
> (+) While I fully understand that once you've got multiple thousands of humans in a field, you do need security, at small illegal raves - say a few hundred people - there's no need and the vibe without feeling like you're being watched is spectacular. On the other hand - saying this as a former tech guy for illegal raves - even in small raves below 100 people in attendance there's so much potential for shit to go s…
All of these except for the last require medical staff, not security. In my experience, the medical staff at festivals of all sizes are amazing people. I don't see how an illegal rave could ever have medical staff though so it's a personal risk that people can choose to take.
As for people not understanding boundaries, small groups of adults, up to a couple of hundred, are generally self policing. I've witnessed a couple of guys being forceably ejected from gatherings, but over the hundred or so I've probably attended in my life (raves I mean) I've only seen this being required a couple of times.
Re: Who killed the rave?
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Covid definitely shook things up, but clubs didn't do well even before covid, while festivals were thriving. Now, it is a bit hard to tell as 2024 was just the second "normal" year, and it can take many years to grow a successful event. It seems like now, we are indeed seeing less festivals, but the remaining ones are becoming bigger and more expensive. So, maybe less festivals but higher budgets.
Weren't there several mass casualties at clubs? I wonder if those had an effect overall. Anecdotally, I remember after several of the movie theatre shootings in the US, my immediate peer group self included decided it just wasn't worth it. Only in the last year or so have I started coming back to theatres.
No, not in the UK, not enough to be noticeable at least. We have sensible gun laws and so don't generally have mass casualty incidents, and don't panic when we do. (See e.g. the London Bridge van incident and pint guy).
Re: Who killed the rave?
#700Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not just say what you're talking about? Are these some secret festivals or something?
In this case, it's not so much that it's some big top secret thing, but that it genuinely is something friends invite their other IRL friends to. I brought it up because it was relevant here, but it's not something exactly advertised. As a practical matter, the facilities can only host a specific number of people, and it's already the case that there's always a waiting list for tickets. (It's not directly a Burner ev…
is that a smiling gearhead i see in the background?