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Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by antifa »

jhbadger wrote: post #135
renegade-otter wrote: post #80

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Some people really think that they are now "content writers" with ChatGPT, just as those spitting out sort-of-working scripts think they are "software engineers". I am sorry, dears, but this is not how it works. To be good at any of this, you should be able to do it yourself without any "prompt engineering", and the only path is through work, time, trial/error, and tons of frustration.

I get the argument against AI tools when it's about them not working as well as the hype says they do, but not when they are the "how dare you use a tool that makes it easier for you! That's cheating!" argument. When I was in school cheap pocket calculators were just becoming available. All of my teachers banned them as they saw them as an existential threat to teaching math and science. These days students are gener…

It's not about "cheating" as much as it's about spamming.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by movedx »

jcfrei wrote: post #39
cj wrote: post #4

This is cool, but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding and writing rather than having it be a separate app. This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. Honestly I’m scratching my head on OpenAI’s desire to double down on building out their consumer B2C use cases rather than truly focussing on being the infr…

When they are focusing on just being an API provider then they will be in a market with (long term) razor thin margins and high competition - most likely unable to build a deep moat. But if you can shape customers habits to always input "chatgpt.com" into the browser whenever they want to use AI then that's a very powerful moat. Those customers will also most likely be on a subscription basis, meaning much more flexi…

This sounds like a good way of guaranteeing profits and moving the mindset away from just producing good products.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

sanex wrote: post #636
jamiek88 wrote: post #241

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Suing Amazon unless you are also a mega corp is basically impossible so until they rip off Apple or MS they’ll be fine.

I guess I should have said sued by the FTC.

They have been.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by dartos »

mooktakim wrote: post #684
dartos wrote: post #675

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Sorry, I’m not understanding what you mean. Vi and vim were never products sold for a profit. Who was saying what? And what were they saying? EDIT: ah I think I understand now. The thing is, I don’t see any advantage to having AI built into the editor vs having a plug-in. Aider.vim is pretty great, for example. The only reason to have a dedicated editor is a retention/lock in tactic.

Every time there's a new editor, or anything else, people complain why we need another one. Sometimes that new thing is innovative.

Sure, I just don’t see what an AI first editor would have over vscode, vim, or whatever already exists + an extension.

The editor handles the human to text file interface, handling key inputs, rendering, managing LSPs, providing hooks to plugins, etc. AI coding assistants kind of sits next to sits it just handles generating text.

It’s why many of these editors just fork vscode. All the hard work is already done, they just add lock in as far as I can tell.

Again, zed is an exception in this pack bc of its CRDT and cooperative features. Those are not things you can easily add on to an existing editor.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by xp84 »

AndyKelley wrote: post #157
atomic128 wrote: post #75

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Don't fight this. Try to profit from it. People love these tools and they will become utterly, utterly dependent. Using a spell-checker, I have gradually lost my ability to spell. Using these LLM tools, large parts of the population will lose the ability to think. Try to own them like farm animals. The large number of tokens being processed by iterative models requires enormous energy. Look at the power draw of a Hop…

Counterpoint: don't try to own people like farm animals. Have pride in humanity, faith in your fellow man, and resist toxic cynicism.

If as GP says, people are actively choosing to become passive and dependent like farm animals, is it immoral to become the farmer? The alternative is to join them. It’s not in anyone’s power to force the rest of society to “be free.”

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by xp84 »

modeless wrote: post #387

I thought I didn't have this yet but turns out it's there, just buried in the drop down model selection menu. I tried it out on an existing chat thread where I was writing JavaScript and when I said "use canvas" it started rewriting my JavaScript to use HTML5 . I had to tell it "use canvas, not html5 canvas but chatgpt canvas" and then it figured it out. It seems like this will be perfect for making tiny single page…

That anecdote makes me wish we could make LLMs less compliant … I’m imagining some code wildly inappropriate to shoehorn a into and GPT happily complying, instead of responding “are you nuts? How would a be useful to this method that validates a certificate?”

Obviously it’s harmless here, but I can picture “evil genie” results when someone asks a question to an LLM entrusted with important privileges. Like if you said “Open ‘uranium containment’” meaning a file with that name, and the LLM is like “don’t want to argue with humans!” opens up the uranium containment doors

An extreme and stupid example, obviously, but you get the idea. If I am to trust an LLM it ought to be able to say “That sounds like a stupid idea. Surely we have a misunderstanding.”

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by xp84 »

ijidak wrote: post #515

Question. Are there any great AI plug-ins anyone recommends for Sublime Text? For me it's still the cleanest editor. VS Code is way too cluttered to be my daily driver for basic editing.

Can you define cluttered? I’m the first to be allergic to bloat, but nearly everything visually you don’t need can be turned off, and maybe it’s just fast hardware privilege talking, but it’s one app that doesn’t ever seem to lag on me.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by 8338550bff96 »

jdgoesmarching wrote: post #688
8338550bff96 wrote: post #673

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I prefer analysis from industry experts, not PR execs moon-lighting as tech bloggers

By all means, go listen to the industry experts trying to sell you on a bubble before it pops This analysis is just doing basic math based on reporting from the NYT and Post on OpenAI’s financials.

Your source is a blog post by a polemic author whose own source is second-hand by NYT, an organization that is in lawsuit with OpenAI. I would have rather have heard it from the horse's mouth. What financial information about OpenAI does NYT have that I don't? Do they have privileged access to private org financials?

In my estimation, you're not qualified for this conversation.

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