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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by nox101 »

taneq wrote: post #649
rty32 wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guess what? Most people who end up buying this product won't care about any of these. (P.S. Apple is much worse than you think. Look up Apple's first party tracking.)

Does Apple buy my transaction records from Mastercard to cross reference against my chat and email logs? (Serious question, I hope not though.)

they don't need to buy the transactions. they have apple pay that integrates your cards into their system. then they push apple pay everywhere both offline and on. eventually they will own all the data

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by threeseed »

rty32 wrote: post #608
dools wrote: post #589

I just can't imagine ever buying something like this from Facebook. I know everyone shits on about Google being bad and whatnot, but the things I buy from Google aren't really part of their advertising business. I pay for Workspace and Google Cloud Platform, and those things don't advertise at me. I am more likely to cruise around already logged into Google as a result of using those things, which obviously plays int…

Guess what? Most people who end up buying this product won't care about any of these. (P.S. Apple is much worse than you think. Look up Apple's first party tracking.)

Almost every single website and app in the world has some level of first party tracking.

There is nothing at all wrong with it since you are a direct user of the product or service.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by jnaina »

zmmmmm wrote: post #470
bryan0 wrote: post #365

While still pretty clunky, I think I'd rather wear these for extended periods of time than Vision Pro glasses (100g vs 600g). This is the type of v1 minimalist design I was hoping Apple would go for. I assume Apple investigated this path but realized they would be cost prohibitive? (although when has that ever stopped Apple before?)

People are generally assuming Apple is also developing these internally. They just don't show off their tech until it is ready. But I would love to know where they are in comparison with respect to weight, size and field of view. I know it is not obvious unless you are very in the scene, but 70 degrees field of view here in this form factor is a massive breakthrough. Most similar glasses are struggling to do 45 degre…

Around 10 years ago, in an obscure private close-knit investment chat group, a senior Apple engineer inadvertently blurted out how Apple has mostly solved iris gaze tracking and foveated rendering. When I pressed him why in the world Apple would be investing R&D dollars in this (I failed to make the logical leap to Apple mixed reality devices), he clamped up.

Apple plays the long game clearly. Wouldn’t be surprised if the Apple Vision Air already exists in an early beta form in their labs.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by threeseed »

nox101 wrote: post #691
taneq wrote: post #649

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Apple buy my transaction records from Mastercard to cross reference against my chat and email logs? (Serious question, I hope not though.)

they don't need to buy the transactions. they have apple pay that integrates your cards into their system. then they push apple pay everywhere both offline and on. eventually they will own all the data

Apple says that they don't tie transaction data to you personally. But that they do use it for marketing purposes alongside the obvious fraud prevention.

https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-pay/#:~:te....

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by threeseed »

teractiveodular wrote: post #626
andreilys wrote: post #618

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but those products that I pay for aren't vehicles for advertising and I don't think Google would ever try to make them that. Advertising is 80% of Google's business. If you think those things aren't being factored into their ads model.... Idk what to tell you.

Google very publicly commits that enterprise customers (GCP, Workspace) have their data firewalled off from ads. If you have evidence to the contrary, there are many, many companies and governments that would like to know.

A lot of enterprise companies use Google Analytics and run Google Ads.

And it's always been very grey about exactly where that data ends up.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by threeseed »

gigel82 wrote: post #674
dools wrote: post #589

I just can't imagine ever buying something like this from Facebook. I know everyone shits on about Google being bad and whatnot, but the things I buy from Google aren't really part of their advertising business. I pay for Workspace and Google Cloud Platform, and those things don't advertise at me. I am more likely to cruise around already logged into Google as a result of using those things, which obviously plays int…

Data collection is not only bad because of advertising; that's the most visible annoyance to us, but I'd argue that the kinds of data collection that Google (and especially Apple) enable can be orders of magnitude more harmful (things like client side scanning of content, location tracking even with the phone turned off and these all-knowing AI datasets that are just a query away from learning the most intimate thing…

> client side scanning of content

This only happens for photos that were going to be sent to iCloud where all photos are scanned server side.

It's hilarious to me that this feature which is actually a privacy win for consumers got so heavily criticised.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by uldos »

dools wrote: post #589

I just can't imagine ever buying something like this from Facebook. I know everyone shits on about Google being bad and whatnot, but the things I buy from Google aren't really part of their advertising business. I pay for Workspace and Google Cloud Platform, and those things don't advertise at me. I am more likely to cruise around already logged into Google as a result of using those things, which obviously plays int…

The fundamentally different aspect is also at the user end - you need fb account to run these gadgets, spend money associated with this account and when someone tries to “hack” that account (because it is public), you loose it without a chance to ever get back the account or money. There is no way how to contact any living person for support, most you can get is their faq. I cannot imagine such situation with gmail.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by pazimzadeh »

neurogence wrote: post #673
pazimzadeh wrote: post #415

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This is very interesting. The company that looks most poised to capitalize on a product like this is still Apple. Wireless compute puck = iPhone Wrist band = Apple watch (although most people wear it on their non-dominant hand) From the videos it looks like Meta adopted Apple's UI of a horizontal handle bar underneath a window for interacting with a piece of content. Considering that the 100 degree field of view of t…

The 100 degree field of view in the AVP is noticeable because it is a VR headsets. Most VR headsets like the Meta Quest 3 have greater field of view than the AVP, which is why the 100 degree is so noticeable. For an AR headset, 70 degrees is pretty good.

AVP is AR. They made a big deal of being able to place windows all around and above your workspace, but taking advantage of this requires large head movements.

I had a Quest2 but sold it years ago. I'm not comparing AVP to any previous VR experiences, I don't even remember what the FOV felt like.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by ErigmolCt »

Twirrim wrote: post #12

I know it's a prototype, but yikes those are large and goofy looking. Reminds me of the old 80's NHS glasses in the UK (which you could get for free if you couldn't afford otherwise). Or for those of you old enough, Brains from the old Supermarionation versions of the Thunderbird show ( https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article8451975.ec... )

I don't know, right now I'm more interested in the capabilities of these glasses. But the video showing people's reactions to using them... That's what seemed a bit strange to me. Or you sat "goofy".
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