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Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by andrewflnr »

fuzztester wrote: post #484
andrewflnr wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not-so-subtly mocking the top-level for not replying "yet", when they replied almost immediately after with a video of the relevant workflow, was not a move that made you look smart or nice.

>when they replied almost immediately after with a video of the relevant workflow Wow. Such wrong claims. I had already replied to you in a sibling comment, refuting your points, but will give one more proof (not that I really need to): _acco, the top level commenter relevant to this discussion, commented at some time, say x. layer8 commented, replying to _acco, 7 hours ago (as can be seen on the page at the time of…

I meant immediately after your reply. At the time I posted, your and acco_'s replies to layer8 both showed as "3 hours" ago. Now they both show as "13 hours ago". Really, I'm being generous in assuming they didn't reply before you.

Ed: ah, since the time I wrote this comment, your respective comments are now at 14 and 13 hours. Congrats on your <1hr lead.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by [deleted] »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #640
meiraleal wrote: post #597

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It codes great for me, helps me deliver faster, better tested and more features. It literally saves time and money every day. If you can't do that, maybe, just maybe, you have a you problem. But there are many like you in this thread so you are not alone.

The worst part about LLMs is this attitude it's giving to people who get a few helpful answers in a row You're like a gambling addict who thinks he's smarter than everyone else

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Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by Workaccount2 »

lumenwrites wrote: post #689
cdelsolar wrote: post #599

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I don’t think you’ve used LLMs enough. They are revolutionary, every day. As a coder I’m several times more productive than I was before, especially when trying to learn some new library or language.

This comment doesn't deserve the downvotes its getting, the author is right, and I'm having the same experience. LLM outputs aren't always perfect, but that doesn't stop them from being extremely helpful and massively increasing my productivity. They help me to get things done with the tech I'm familiar with much faster, get things done with tech I'm unfamiliar with that I wouldn't be able to do before, and they are…

Good luck telling a bunch of programmers that their skills are legitimately under threat. No one wants to hear that. Especially when you are living a top 10% lifestyle on the back of being good at communicating to computers.

There is an old documentary of the final days of typesetters for newspapers. These were the (very skilled) people who rapidly put each individual carved steel character block into the printing frame in order print thousands of page copies. Many were incredulous that a machine could ever replicate their work.

I don't think programmers are going to go away, but I do think those juicy salaries and compensation packages will.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by anonyfox »

ekabod wrote: post #642
anonyfox wrote: post #602

The sweet spot of the current LLMs (not whatever the next gen might or might not improve on) for me is similar to suddenly having an army of idiots at my fingertips. There are a lot of smallish tasks/problems people/systems needs to deal with, some of them even waste notable real engineering capacity, and a highschooler could do manually quite easily by hand. Example: find out if a text contains an email address, inc…

The problem is that these idiots are very expensive for now.

indeed, but prices have been falling dramatically in the last 2 years, and I think the latest smallest gpt4o-mini is already in the "mostly don't care" ballpark.

I am happy if we somehow get this down even more orders of magnitude, to the point where I can `npm install llm` and have it run alongside my normal code on a $5 VPS, without a GPU, and still handling (resonable) requests/minute with it. Yes I know we are _very far_ from that still, but one can dream.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by andrewflnr »

fuzztester wrote: post #419
andrewflnr wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not-so-subtly mocking the top-level for not replying "yet", when they replied almost immediately after with a video of the relevant workflow, was not a move that made you look smart or nice.

Hey. These are the four simple lines that I wrote above: >Solid questions and comments, layer8. > I notice that the person you replied to has not replied to you yet. >It may be that they will, of course. >But your points are good. (Italics mine, and they were not in my original comment.) You, above: >when they replied almost immediately after with a video of the relevant workflow, I did check the time intervals betwe…

If a comment is not at least one of smart or nice, it's a waste of space and attention. That may not be your purpose, but don't act shocked when people respond with negativity.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by kybernetyk »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #672
amelius wrote: post #657

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The 10x engineer will just start their own company.

A good programmer isn't necessarily also good at business to run his own company. Sure, you have your John Carmaks' or Antirezs' of the industry who are 10x programmers and also successful founders but those guys are 1 in a million. But your usual 10x engineer you'll meet is the guy who knows the ins and outs of all running systems at work giving him the ability to debug and solve issues 10x quicker than the rest, kn…

>A good programmer isn't necessarily also good at business to run his own company.

AI can help with that.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by Rinzler89 »

kybernetyk wrote: post #697
Rinzler89 wrote: post #672

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A good programmer isn't necessarily also good at business to run his own company. Sure, you have your John Carmaks' or Antirezs' of the industry who are 10x programmers and also successful founders but those guys are 1 in a million. But your usual 10x engineer you'll meet is the guy who knows the ins and outs of all running systems at work giving him the ability to debug and solve issues 10x quicker than the rest, kn…

>A good programmer isn't necessarily also good at business to run his own company. AI can help with that.

We'd all be millionaires if AI could actually help with that, but then if everyone is a millionaire then nobody is.

Current AI is still at the state of recommending people jump off the golden gate bridge if they feel sad or telling them to change their blinker fluid.

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Post by Regic »

dax_ wrote: post #607
cdelsolar wrote: post #599

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I don’t think you’ve used LLMs enough. They are revolutionary, every day. As a coder I’m several times more productive than I was before, especially when trying to learn some new library or language.

Do you perhaps have some resources on how you use AI assistants for coding (I'm assuming Github Copilot). I've been trying it for the past months, and frankly, it's barely helping me at all. 95% of the time the suggestions are just noise. Maybe as a fast typer it's less useful, I just wonder why my experience is so different than what others are saying. So maybe it's because I'm not using it right?

My experience is mostly with gpt-4. Act like it is a beginner programmer. Give it small, self-contained tasks, explain the possible problems, limitation of the environment you are working with, possible hurdles, suggest api functions or language features to use (it really likes to forget there is a specific function that does half of what you need instead of having to staple multiple ones together). Try it for different tasks, you will get a feel what it excels in and what it won't be able to solve. If it doesn't give good answer after 2 or 3 attempts, just write it yourself and move on, giving feedback barely works in my experience.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by kybernetyk »

dax_ wrote: post #607
cdelsolar wrote: post #599

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think you’ve used LLMs enough. They are revolutionary, every day. As a coder I’m several times more productive than I was before, especially when trying to learn some new library or language.

Do you perhaps have some resources on how you use AI assistants for coding (I'm assuming Github Copilot). I've been trying it for the past months, and frankly, it's barely helping me at all. 95% of the time the suggestions are just noise. Maybe as a fast typer it's less useful, I just wonder why my experience is so different than what others are saying. So maybe it's because I'm not using it right?

My experience is similar. Most of the results are not really useful so I have to put work in to fix them. But at that point I can do the small extra step of doing it completely myself.
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