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Panic at the Job Market

matt.sh

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Re: Panic at the Job Market

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> Now I’ve got nothing to show of my life of work, while other people who just picked a better company to work at 20 years ago and never left have been growing their wealth by a couple million dollars per year every year for almost their entire career, all working as just some rando middle manager at multi-trillion-dollar companies. The authors repeated insistence on incredibly inflated salary numbers makes me questi…

"Middle manager" means you're managing managers (i.e. director/vp). Those people do often make $1M+ at FAANG. But he is certainly still exaggerating, as most people with 20 years experience didn't spend "almost their entire careers" making $1M+.

For his direct peers (very senior), in one particular historical period (~2010-2021), for one particular small set of fangs… they would have, on average be at least 1mm, probably 2 or 3. Due to stock price appreciation. You had to have been very lucky globally speaking, but locally to SV over that time not so rare. So I can understand and appreciate the jealousy, but I wouldn’t expect that set of circumstances to repeat.

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The job market is weird. It seems there are more and more candidates on the market. However, whenever I recruit for senior roles, it seems the candidates are less and less skilled. This is highly anecdotal. The job post is the same: sr. java developer. Everyone has 5+ years of experience. I need someone who can: - explain in depth how a HashMap works - verbally pseudocode a program that solves a problem, where an ade…

HashMap> - you meant to say Multimap right? :)

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Kinda hard to have a SWE sector worth protecting when its all H1B Visa applicants. You guys realize these companies have to be unable to find suitable candidates in order to import workers who will undermine labor, right? In addition, the mass influx of illegal migrant workers are reducing the otherwise buoyant wage effect of menial labor. The idea that a mass influx of Indian workers taking top-tier STEM jobs is goo…

I remember when Trump and Sessions were going to make curbing H1b's their top priority in his first term.

Now Trump is backed by the VC's so I doubt he returns to it.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have many friends (in Europe) EU kind of in a recession though. And there's a well known link between interest rates and unemployment. So it's really not surprising to hear that employment in the EU is harder after the ECB raised rates. And good news: they're lowering them now. What really needs explaining is why, despite the unusually strong general US job market[1] for several years now, the US tech market spec…

People were saying things like "Why does twitter need 10,000 employees?" for years and years on end. We are seeing a reversion to the mean.

Turns out it didn‘t. Microsoft is beginning to get the same idea.

The idea that you didn‘t really need a large overhead of management, DEI employees and fairness committees was true all along.

Re: Panic at the Job Market

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post #53

>According to all the interviews I’ve failed over the years (I don’t think I’ve ever passed an actual “coding interview” anywhere?), the entire goal of tech hiring is just finding people in the 100 to 115 midwit block then outright rejecting everybody else as too much of an unknown risk. As a (now) senior/staff-level engineer back out on the job market for the first time in a while, I'm begrudgingly coming to accept…

I have had the opposite evolution. As I get more senior they seem increasingly silly.

Re: Panic at the Job Market

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post #53

>According to all the interviews I’ve failed over the years (I don’t think I’ve ever passed an actual “coding interview” anywhere?), the entire goal of tech hiring is just finding people in the 100 to 115 midwit block then outright rejecting everybody else as too much of an unknown risk. As a (now) senior/staff-level engineer back out on the job market for the first time in a while, I'm begrudgingly coming to accept…

Not every company is FANG. Last time, pre covid, I had an on site coding interview with BigCo. Interviewer asked to write an algorithm to find the biggest rectangle you can make from a list of lines. I immediately stood up, and went to a drawing board in the conference room we were sitting. He was baffled, and asked me back to the desk to the computer. I told him my initial thoughts on the algorithm and started sketching the algorithm in vs code that was presented on the laptop. He quickly jumped in, removed my `for` loops and pointed at the first line of the file, import lodash, and told me to use it. I said I'm not familiar with the libarary, but I'm happy to continue with the solution. We talked about it for a while, and I explained my approach at length, while not being able to reach the keyboard. After that, he started typing his solution on my computer using `function programming` and lodash. After we agreed that the general idea is pretty much the same I asked him what is the computational complexity of his solution, pointing out that using a lot of map/reduce/list may not be the optimal approach. He looked at me, at the code at it was obvious that he genuinly had no clue. We finished the interview few minutes later and to my surprise I was moved one notch up the ladder to the next interview.

I have 25yoe and conducted close to thousand interviews. My secret sauce is to ask broad questions and let the candidate draw the map of areas where he pictures himself as competent, and then drill down, with a series of questions. As an employer, team leader or engmgr I don't need a compiler or savant, I need a teamplayer that is confident within his domain and not afraid to say he doesn't know. I've been on both side of the fence, so I know it's not easy to say you don't know during the interviewm, but the bottom line is that most of the time if you don't know something you can easily look it up on the internet or even ask your teammates during a coffee break. What I fear the most is the guy who fears to say he doesn't know and tries to keep his face.

EDIT: part of where it comes from is my first serious day job, a big international startup (still running) which opened a small office in my hometown. We had a guy who, for three weeks, was coming to the office, sitting in front of his computer, looking busy, staring at the code, clapping at the keyboard, making some noise, and... after three weeks it turned out he didn't even started his task, because he didn't knew how to open a connection to the database. Not a corp, just a small 6 body shop, but he played his role perfectly.

Re: Panic at the Job Market

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post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideration your particular profile or the contributions you can make. This is really key. I have applied for jobs before, and then get questions like: "what's your experience with C++ or advanced graph algorithms?". Only that, none of that shows up in my profile or resume. But they act surprised and completely shrug off how a decade of software and other relev…

I found a job as a developer after about 10 months of applying for 100 jobs per month. It was very weird this time round. Especially weird considering that my resume is exceptional (lots of experience; corporate, startup, back end, front end, full stack, distributed systems, open source). The list of technologies that I'm competent with is long and, for most of them, I've got open source projects to prove my claims.…

There is something off here.

- 1000+ applications, 2 interviews. Holy batman. That’s what, 4+ applications a (work)day for a year straight? How do you even find these positions.

- “Air tight”, god-tier CV.

- Only doing “PR”s.

- Handling “setInterval”s.

Re: Panic at the Job Market

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post #287
post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideration your particular profile or the contributions you can make. This is really key. I have applied for jobs before, and then get questions like: "what's your experience with C++ or advanced graph algorithms?". Only that, none of that shows up in my profile or resume. But they act surprised and completely shrug off how a decade of software and other relev…

As a literal graph theorist, I cannot tell you how frustrating it is that (a) nobody seems to understand my work except (b) interviewers use it as a shibboleth to exclude people from jobs that will never need high performance graph algorithms. That, I never get called for these interviews because I don't use react angles or something, but if they did, I'd crush the interview and fall asleep at my desk once they start…

At UC Santa Cruz I had Gerhard Ringel[1] as a professor for graph theory, talked with him outside of class otherwise. Spent a lot of time going through his book.

Some concepts I’ve used but to be asked random leet code graph questions, meh. The current interview paradigm needs to change. It’d be fine to be told - it’ll cover x and y a couple of days before but not drop into a random problem. That is not our industry.

Gerhard was an amazing teacher and taught me a lot. Sadly I’ve had to use it little.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Ringel

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