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Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by v01d4lph4 »

distortedsignal wrote: post #342
bonton89 wrote: post #334

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> So there’s no kind of existential danger to Quest here, but it remains to be seen if the hardware licensees can bring anything relevant to the table either. Why would I, as a potential hardware maker, wish to compete in a market where the existing main producer is a mega wealthy entity that is already dumping product below cost and is capable of doing so indefinitely?

The low end of the market is taken - but (from an outsider perspective) the high end appears free. The people who want to buy a Honda aren't the same people who want to buy an Acura, even though it's (essentially) the same parts. Let's say that, tomorrow, Gucci or Dolce and Gabanna (or however you spell that) want to make a VR headset (why? who knows?). They don't have the tech acumen to compete with Facebook on expe…

I think their RayBay Meta Glasses is a great example of a product like that!

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Post by genidoi »

rmbyrro wrote: post #663
hooloovoo_zoo wrote: post #627

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Apple and to a lesser extent Google have high trust. Nobody trusts Meta at all. So who would adopt their OS?

Apple and Google have high trust? In what world? In terms of privacy, Apple has more trust, yes, but the daily stream of zero days on iPhones hurt it by a good margin. I won't even start talking about Google's privacy issues...

I fully trust apple photos / g photos, on an iphone.

Idk/idc about the "daily 0 days" that you referenced, I do care about being able to know with absolute certainty that my photos will be there 20 years from now.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by ccheney »

_akhe wrote: post #433
mebazaa wrote: post #22

Meta has a lot of work to do on DevEx for non-gaming experiences. Say what you want with the Vision Pro, but it comes with a lot of niceities like SwiftUI. When you develop with the Quest, you're stuck with Unity or Unreal Engine -- it's almost too much freedom to develop simple productivity apps.

It's all going to end up in JavaScript anyway. I say this as a joke, yet: https://www.npmjs.com/package/react-unity-webgl Simply rendering your Unity Application within your React Application is just the beginning! The Unity Context exposes a lot more fun functions and properties to play around with such as two way communication or requesting fullscreen or a pointerlock. The possibilities are endless, what's next is…

Atwood's law

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Post by scheeseman486 »

mrguyorama wrote: post #257
Capricorn2481 wrote: post #225

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> - lighter/more comfortable It's this and one other point: Games that people aren't bored of in an hour. To me, very few games have come out for VR that don't feel like gimmicky experiences. Even Half Life Alyx, as advanced as it was, kinda felt like a theme park ride after a while. I'm not sure if there's technical reasons for it, but it feels like nobody is taking VR development seriously. It's hard to justify str…

>I'm not sure if there's technical reasons for it, but it feels like nobody is taking VR development seriously. The "technical" reason for it is very very very simple: Nearly no video games are actually improved by "increased immersion" to an extreme. Chess won't be more fun because you have to physically move digital chess pieces around a virtual board, people playing Call of Duty do not want to physically move thei…

>The TWO areas where VR is useful, flight simulators and driving simulators, haven't even fully adopted VR simply because it's too much hassle.

I see this come up, over and over again. It's so obviously wrong based on even a basic reading of the market. The Quest is unambiguously the most popular VR headset and it's store has barely any cockpit simulators at all.

As for tennis, one of the perks of Quest is that you can take it anywhere, including a real tennis court: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atuIRf59hzc

At a smaller scale, Eleven Table Tennis is an extremely accurate VR Table Tennis game that supports paddle attachments. It is extremely close to the real thing, professionals use it for practice.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by sircastor »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #542

As usual I get quite hopeful when I hear about a new operating system. We so absolutely need paths to move away from what we have today. I didn't even know what "mixed reality operating system" was so that made me hopeful. May include some nifty quantum processing. Alas, it is just stuff built on top of Android, which is built on top of the Linux kernel. Perhaps "Meta Horizon SDK for Android" would be a better label?…

I was amused and interested when I found out that HaikuOS is not Linux, nor even the Linux Kernel, but a reimplementation of BeOS (concepts mostly) on the NewOS kernel.

I've been dwelling in some nostalgia recently and miss some of the earlier days when everything wasn't so homogenous. This is all rose-colored glasses though, as I don't miss when everything was also extremely incompatible. And slow. And expensive.

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Post by boomlinde »

williamcotton wrote: post #474
theptip wrote: post #358

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Don’t agree with this take. I’m sure Meta would be fine with other vendors taking over the low-end, if that meant there was a vibrant platform they controlled (ie the OS). They will lead with flagship models to push the boundaries of what the OS/tech can do. Why would they want to sell at/below cost forever? The reason they do this now is to make the platform viable. The only reason they are focusing on cheaper devic…

Don’t agree with this take. Is this a command or an opinion that left out the subject of the sentence?

The inference engine between your ears should be able to answer that.

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Post by m463 »

genidoi wrote: post #690
m463 wrote: post #676

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I think apple has high trust only because they repeat their message all the time. However, just buy an apple device and try to use it. You cannot use it without apple allowing it. You must connect to apple and activate your device. And as part of activation, you get a chance to read apple's privacy policy. Literally thousands of pages of privacy policy without the ability to DO anything, like say "No". And everything…

> apple still won't let you use the european app store because the phone knows your location. The national app store you get to use (the region of your iphone) is based on your billing address + card details (which obviously are validated when you enter them), not your phone location.

Here is the comment that said different?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40069509

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Post by classified »

For all those who feel insufficiently tracked by Google. If it has a browser, you might be able to run the JavaScript implementation of Android on top of it, thus being double-tracked.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by flohofwoe »

kernal wrote: post #594
flohofwoe wrote: post #64

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Ooof that's a bummer, I hope that doesn't translate to the typical "Android developer experience".

Would you rather have the typical "iOS developer experience" and XCode? Or are you under the impression that Android development hasn't progressed? Additionally, there is also Flutter which is starting to account for a good percentage of new apps.

Yes I would indeed take the iOS developer experience and Xcode anytime over the mess that is the Android SDK, Android NDK, Gradle (or whatever the current build system flavour of the month is), Android Studio, Java, Kotlin, ... and I bet for VR/AR one needs to fall back to native code to get any sort of performance, and the Android NDK is by far the most user hostile SDK I have seen across all platforms since I started with computing in the mid-80s (followed closely by the Android SDK and Android Studio) and all of that only improves at a glacial pace, if at all.
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