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Re: Gemini AI

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Gemini Ultra isn't released yet and is months away still. Bard w/ Gemini Pro isn't available in Europe and isn't multi-modal, https://support.google.com/bard/answer/14294096 No public stats on Gemini Pro. (I'm wrong. Pro stats not on website, but tucked in a paper - https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/gemini/gemini_... ) I feel this is overstated hype. There is no competitor to GPT-4 being released today. I…

Investors are getting impatient! ChatGPT has already replaced Google for me and I wonder if Google starts to feel the pressure.

For you, maybe, for absolute most of the ppl - not really, you can compare both nr of users and nr of searches

Re: Gemini AI

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post #362

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Investors are getting impatient! ChatGPT has already replaced Google for me and I wonder if Google starts to feel the pressure.

> "ChatGPT has already replaced Google for me" Would you mind elaborating more on this. Like how are you "searching" with ChatGPT?

A lot of people on HN were very dismissive of chatGPT. I think you missed the boat. It's way beyond a stochastic parrot right now.

Whatever you call it, this thing is the closest to a human that a machine has ever been. Talking to chatGPT is quite close to talking to a human being that has the knowledge of all of google inside his brain.

If you're a developer and you're not paying for chatGPT or copilot you are literally operating at a disadvantage. Not a joke.

Re: Gemini AI

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Agreed. The whole things reeks of being desperate. Half the video is jerking themselves off that they've done AI longer than anyone and they "release" (not actually available in most countries) a model that is only marginally better than the current GPT4 in cherry-picked metrics after nearly a year of lead-time?!?! That's your response? Ouch.

I worked at Google up through 8 weeks ago and knew there _had_ to be a trick -- You know those stats they're quoting for beating GPT-4 and humans? (both are barely beaten) They're doing K = 32 chain of thought. That means running an _entire self-talk conversation 32 times_. Source: https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/gemini/gemini_... , section 5.1.1 paragraph 2

How do you know GPT-4 is 1 shot? The details about it aren't released, it is entirely possible it does stuff in multiple stages. Why wouldn't OpenAI use their most powerful version to get better stats, especially when they don't say how they got it?

Google being more open here about what they do is in their favor.

Re: Gemini AI

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Gemini Nano sounds like the most exciting part IMO. IIRC Several people in the recent Pixel 8 thread were saying that offloading to web APIs for functions like Magic Eraser was only temporary and could be replaced by on-device models at some point. Looks like this is the beginning of that.

> "Using the power of Google Tensor G3, Video Boost on Pixel 8 Pro uploads your videos to the cloud where our computational photography models adjust color, lighting, stabilization and graininess."* I wonder why the power of Tensor G3 is needed to upload your video to the cloud... * https://blog.google/products/pixel/pixel-feature-drop-decemb...

It runs an on-device LLM to generate a HTTP POST every time. It took four interns half a week to reduce the hallucinations, but a PM got a promotion after that.

Re: Gemini AI

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To test whether bard.google.com is already updated in your region, this prompt seems to work: Which version of Bard am I using? Here in Europe (Germany), I get: The current version is Bard 2.0.3. It is powered by the Google AI PaLM 2 model Considering that you have to log in to use Bard while Bing offers GPT-4 publicly and that Bard will be powered by Gemini Pro, which is not the version that they say beats GPT-4, it…

I asked it a similar version and got this response:

> LOL. Got that wrong earlier today. Bard is on Gemini Pro in English across most of the world as of Dec 6, 2023.

I was sure surprised.

Re: Gemini AI

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One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

Its a conceit but not unjustified, they have been doing "AI" since their inception. And yeah, Sundar's term up until recently seems to me to be milking existing products instead of creating new ones, so it is a bit annoying when they act like this was their plan the whole time. Google's weakness is on the product side, their research arm puts out incredible stuff as other commenters have pointed out. GPT essentially…

It's such a short sighted approach too because I'm sure someone will develop a GPT with native advertising and it'll be a blockbuster because it'll be free to use but also have strong revenue generating potential.

Re: Gemini AI

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You can just imagine the fire drills that has been going on in Google for half the year trying to get in par and beat OpenAI. Great to see, Im keen to see what OpenAI do but I am now more than ever rooting for the SOTA open source offering!

Re: Gemini AI

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OpenAI had an almost five-year head-start with relevant data acquisition and sorting, which is the most important part of these models.

Google has the biggest proprietary moat of information of any company in the world I'm sure.

Yes, you can say that very much, again and again.

Google has the best Internet search engine bar none and personally I'd not normally use Bing if not through ChatGPT.

It has Google Book, and I believe it has been scanning books for more than a decade now. It good to know that, so when the next time Mongol-like invasion happen (as happened to old City of Baghdad) all the books contents are well backup /s

It has Google Patent, and the original idea of patenting is for knowledge dissemination in return of royalty, and that knowledge would otherwise locked behind industry closed door.

It has Google Scholar, some of the papers are behind paywall but most of the contents are already cached somewhere (e.g. Pre-Print servers, Sci-Hub, online thesis portal).

It has Google Video aka YouTube that by watching all the uploaded videos within one hour duration to YT platform, will probably last more than your lifetime (assuming lifetime watching videos doing nothing else from cradle to grave non-stop without sleeping).

Ultimately it has Google mail or Gmail and to say that Google do not access the emails on its platform it's providing for free is naive and almost all my colleagues, friends, acquaintances (people that I know personally) have Gmail.

UK ex-PM (no prize of correctly guessing who) was once said on national TV that "Google probably know about him than he knows about himself" (TM).

Google once claimed that no one has moat on LLM but from the planet that I live none has organized the world's information like Google and ironically the CEO just reminded us in the Gemini video introduction that Google corporate mission statement is to organize the world's information and AI, LLM, RAG (insert your favourite acronym soup here) are the natural extensions of what they have been doing all along.

Re: Gemini AI

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He's not wrong. DeepMind spends time solving big scientific / large-scale problems such as those in genetics, material science or weather forecasting, and Google has untouchable resources such as all the books they've scanned (and already won court cases about) They do make OpenAI look like kids in that regard. There is far more to technology than public facing goods/products. It's probably in part due to the cultura…

While you are spot on, I cannot avoid thinking of 1996 or so. On one corner: IBM Deep Blue winning vs Kasparov. A world class giant with huge research experience. On the other corner, Google, a feisty newcomer, 2 years in their life, leveraging the tech to actually make something practical. Is Google the new IBM?

Hmm, what was that tech from IBM deep blue, that apparently Google leveraged to such a degree?

Was it “machine learning”? If so, I don’t think that was actually the key insight for Google search… right? Did deep blue even machine learn?

Or was it something else?

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