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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by cjpearson »

adocomplete wrote: post #48
chii wrote: post #23

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i mean, if the machine does the job you purchased it for, is it really outdated? Unless the job it is doing is to be the best and latest, as a status symbol...

Oh I'm super happy with it - it has handled everything I've thrown at it and then some and I'm not planning on upgrading anytime soon. But I feel like with the M2 Pro's having such a short shelf life, what that means for long term support.

I doubt it means anything. The 3rd gen iPad was superseded within 6 months, but it still had 7.5 years of support.

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Post by d3w4s9 »

stouset wrote: post #404
timschmidt wrote: post #387

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Intel has supported three external displays on integrated graphics since Ivy Bridge in 2012.

I’m not sure what that has to do with it being a niche use-case or not.

It has nothing to do with niche use-case or not. This is a regression compared to their own Intel Macbooks.

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Post by commandersaki »

rafaelmn wrote: post #593
internet2000 wrote: post #158

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I imagine the amount of people upgrading from an M2 Mac will be close to 0, while there's a lot of Intel stragglers out there.

Intel straggler here ! When M1 hit I was certain I would get a M Apple in a year or two when they iron out the transition. It was just leaps and bounds ahead of others and the pricing was great. Now I think AMD and Intel caught up enough, Apple didn't keep the momentum, and they do standard Apple pricing discrimination - I think I'll take a gamble on Framework AMD version. I really like the idea behind the self-repai…

I have a 12th gen Framework 13", 13" M1 Air, and a 15" M2 Air.

I use the Framework laptop for work because I need to use Linux.

The Framework laptop is mediocre just like pretty much all PC laptops. The hinges are awful, if you pick up the laptop upright, about 50% of the time the screen falls flat 180 degrees.

The trackpad is arse in Linux.

If you're lucky you can probably get 5 hours battery life, but on a realistic workload you're looking at 2-3 hours.

The keyboard is pretty nice, but I wish ctrl/fn is swapped like Apple and it has the inverted mini-T keyboard arrows (or at least I wish someone would make a swappable keyboard for the Framework).

The speakers are bloody awful.

Display/Webcam/Mic are fine.

I would like more ports over modular ports, but I appreciate the design that went into the modular ports.

Speaking of modular ports, sometimes they abruptly stop working and require removing and reseating.

All these small nits really add up and it just feels like a mediocre experience. It is my work laptop, but I try my best to avoid using it over my PC with WSL2 or either Air laptop, but I try my best not to mix work and personal.

Both the 13" M1 Air and 15" M2 Air are just amazing compared to the Framework, and I suspect PC laptops in general. They have their drawbacks, price (gouging in some ways), less ports, can't drive dual displays, but their trackpad, finish, speakers, etc. are just amazing. I personally prefer MacOS to Linux for a desktop experience as well.

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Post by gtirloni »

nomel wrote: post #231
gtirloni wrote: post #186

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I remember getting one of those shiny aluminum MacBooks in 2009. Then MacBooks turned plastic and the aluminum ones became MacBook Pro's. Is this a thing Apple does? I'm not an Apple customer for many years now.

Apple hasn’t had any plastic devices for some time now.

I'm referring to the 2010 polycarbonate one here: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/specs/macbook-cor...

Not sure why my initial comment is -4 votes right now. What am I remembering wrong?

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Post by u320 »

aatd86 wrote: post #644
threeseed wrote: post #476

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Apple shares anonymous usage data by default on all their operating systems and users are asked again on every major update. Given that there has never been any public incidents about it and what we know about similar defaults I would be surprised if Apple is getting less than 95% opt-in rate. But I suspect at high-end they only really care about the performance of a few dozen professional apps e.g. Logic or Final Cu…

Wait telemetry is opt-out? And I've never heard people complain? Genuinely surprised as it seems to be quite a commonly controversial thing amongst devs.

No the default action is to do nothing (ie do not install the OS). You have to actively consent or reject.

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Post by stephen_g »

aatd86 wrote: post #644
threeseed wrote: post #476

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Apple shares anonymous usage data by default on all their operating systems and users are asked again on every major update. Given that there has never been any public incidents about it and what we know about similar defaults I would be surprised if Apple is getting less than 95% opt-in rate. But I suspect at high-end they only really care about the performance of a few dozen professional apps e.g. Logic or Final Cu…

Wait telemetry is opt-out? And I've never heard people complain? Genuinely surprised as it seems to be quite a commonly controversial thing amongst devs.

It's not exactly 'opt-out', they ask you on first boot or after major upgrades, and you either select "Share with Apple" or "Don't Share with Apple". It's just that the "Share" button is coloured blue so looks more default since it's more prominent (at least on iOS, I think it's basically the same on macOS).

It's not like it's enabled by default and you have to know to go and find the setting to turn it off or anything..

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Post by JCharante »

rewmie wrote: post #299
latchkey wrote: post #255

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Any reason for not upgrading?

> Any reason for not upgrading? Why is this sort of question always framed as if people have to provide a justification for not buying a new model, as if spending money on the new shiny without any reason is normal or desirable? We live in a day and age where hardware bought a decade ago still packs enough punch to run most of today's software without any hiccup. Why would anyone waste their cash to replace something…

They mentioned their coworker and most companies have upgrade policies. Just fill in a form every x years and you get a shiny new laptop (and depending on where you work, you’ll get to keep your old one as a gift)

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Post by nicoburns »

aatd86 wrote: post #644
threeseed wrote: post #476

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Apple shares anonymous usage data by default on all their operating systems and users are asked again on every major update. Given that there has never been any public incidents about it and what we know about similar defaults I would be surprised if Apple is getting less than 95% opt-in rate. But I suspect at high-end they only really care about the performance of a few dozen professional apps e.g. Logic or Final Cu…

Wait telemetry is opt-out? And I've never heard people complain? Genuinely surprised as it seems to be quite a commonly controversial thing amongst devs.

It’s opt-out, but it’s not enabled silently. It’s a pre-ticked checkbox on a screen you have to review when you first setup the machine (and when you do a major version OS upgrade).

IMO that’s quite different to something that’s just silently on by default, and requires you to set an environment variable or run a command to opt out.

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Post by d3w4s9 »

jlokier wrote: post #487
lotsofpulp wrote: post #367

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> I wish they would just charge an extra $X for the privilege of using multiple external monitors. They do, you have to pay more for an M3 Pro or M3 Max.

The person you replied to wants the nicer form factor of the MBA with the ability to use multiple external displays. That combo isn't currently offered, and judging from today's M3 specs the next MBA won't likely offer it either. I assume the iMac has the same limitation, which is a bit of a downer for some uses. It would be nice to drive a second monitor and a wall-mounted TV or projector from an iMac in sleek a hom…

For context, you were able to do 2 external display with Macbook Air 2018-2020.

...and almost any Windows laptop at the same price point.

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