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Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by vhodges »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #618
socrates137 wrote: post #38

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100%. I’m actually extremely impressed. I want one. I haven’t worked in a data center in years, but I’d be tempted to do it again just to get my hands on one.

I wish they’d sell a tabletop version for hobbyists, but realize this is probably a distraction. But… the problem with a lot of these systems (including the old Sun boxes and things like ibm mainframes and the AS/400) is that they sound cool but there’s no real way for the typical new developer to “get into them” for fun and, as a result, you lose the chance for some developer selling it to their company based on his…

Not the same in any meaningful way but https://turingpi.com/product/turing-pi-2/ might interest you.

Also https://artemis.sh/2022/03/14/propolis-oxide-at-home-pt1.htm...

Does illumos run on ARM?

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by loeg »

jatins wrote: post #568
loeg wrote: post #425

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I don't understand why you would compare total compensation at Oxide with base salary at other employers? Total compensation is the relevant figure across the board, and senior (as in, experienced, not some specific levels.fyi tier) engineers often make significantly more than $201,000.

> That's just base salary I meant 200k is just base salary at Oxide. It does not include equity

Oxide equity, like for all private companies, isn't worth anything until and if they go public; it has no cash value. For total compensation purposes, it's $0.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by pests »

wmf wrote: post #640
Always_Anon wrote: post #607

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>And you'll be down for weeks or months while they do it. Off by a few orders of magnitude. Dell on-site SLA with pre-purchased spares was about 6 hours. With Oxide, you'd be lucky to get same day service.

I'm not speaking hypothetically. If you hit a "zero-day" bug that Dell has never seen it's going to take time. And somehow every large customer finds bugs that Dell certification didn't.

> And somehow every large customer finds bugs that Dell certification didn't.

It's a law of computer engineering.

In the Apollo 11 decent sequence the Rendezvous Radar experienced a hardware bug[0] not uncovered during simulation. They found it later, but until then, the solution was adding a "turn off Rendezvous Radar" checklist item.

[0] The Rendezvous Radar would stop the CPU, shuttle some data into areas it could be read, and woke the CPU back up to process it. The bug caused it to supuriously do this dance just to tell it "no new data", which then caused other systems to overload.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by vhodges »

sorenbs wrote: post #345
steveklabnik wrote: post #315

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Specs are here: https://oxide.computer/product/specifications Prices are here: https://oxide.computer/sales ;)

I know you are half joking, but it would really be helpful to have ball-park pricing available. Are we talking Sun-level markups here, or how should we think about it? Given the enterprise sales contact form, I'm thinking yes, but I'd love to know for sure.

The last time (one of them) Oxide hit HN there were some ballpark estimates based on the CPUs in use, switches etc. Someone else said 500K and up.

I wish there was a 4U version (10-25K but I don't think that they could come close to that price point - regardless even that is out of reach for me to ever get to play on one :-/ )

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by Always_Anon »

pseg134 wrote: post #688
Always_Anon wrote: post #590

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>Sure you can, but then who will diagnose and fix your hardware/OS interaction problems when you have parts from five vendors in the mix? Dell is a single vendor that will diagnose and fix all of your hardware issues. With Oxide you're locked into what looks like a Solaris derivative OS running on the metal and you're only allowed to provision VMs which is a huge disadvantage. I run a fleet of over 30,000 nodes in th…

I run a battalion of 78,000 nodes and I disagree with you.

I used to run over 150,000 nodes and I agree with me.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by Xymist »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #618
socrates137 wrote: post #38

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100%. I’m actually extremely impressed. I want one. I haven’t worked in a data center in years, but I’d be tempted to do it again just to get my hands on one.

I wish they’d sell a tabletop version for hobbyists, but realize this is probably a distraction. But… the problem with a lot of these systems (including the old Sun boxes and things like ibm mainframes and the AS/400) is that they sound cool but there’s no real way for the typical new developer to “get into them” for fun and, as a result, you lose the chance for some developer selling it to their company based on his…

They won't even tell you how much a rack will cost. Infuriating typically B2B "talk to Sales so we can decide exactly how much we can get out of you and segment the market on the fly" approach persists even here, it seems.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by ec109685 »

kristianpaul wrote: post #240
fefe23 wrote: post #11

This is actually a pretty big deal. They sell servers, but as a finished product. Not as a cobbled together mess of third party stuff where the vendor keeps shrugging if there is an integration problem. They integrated it. It comes with all the features they expect you to want if you wanted to build your own cloud. Also, they wrote the software. And it's all open source. So no "sorry but the third party vendor droppe…

This is a turn-key solution, ready to use without eventually dealing with multiple devices with its own firmware and caveats revealing after where put to work together. The closest to that is that AWS managed rack that works with the web APIS you know already

AWS only rents their racks and are very expensive.

I do wonder if AWS will eventually go down market if oxide gets any scale.

It seems like AWS has all the pieces to compete with Oxide if they care to.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by bayindirh »

throw0101c wrote: post #634
cryptonector wrote: post #446

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It would be interesting to sell a data center in a container. Cooling, power supply, compute, storage, and network, all in a box. You supply power, a big network pipe, and the piping to external heat exchangers.

See §Examples: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_data_center Also: * https://www.deltapowersolutions.com/en/mcis/data-center-solu... * https://atos.net/en/solutions/high-performance-computing-hpc... * https://www.zelladc.com/zella-max Search for "shipping container data centre" or "containerized datacenter".

Huawei also does this. Built to order, single container. Completely isolated, plug’n’play.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by mfer »

leetrout wrote: post #647
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Your examples are strange. Framework is niche. iPhones do have the pedigree. Google Fiber is barely used. Most folks do use a supported Linux distribution, they don’t roll their own.

> iPhones do have the pedigree Not in 2007-2008 which is equivalent to Oxide today.

iPhones became popular through the bring your own device movement. You aren’t going to see that with racks in a data center

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by mlindner »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #619
PeterCorless wrote: post #595

Congrats, Bryan and team! I've been following your evolution for a while now. People might just look at it and say "It's just a rack of CPUs and storage." And I can only imagine just how much you might be tempted to throttle them (or at least flame them in online posts). Over the decades the separation between "software" people and "hardware" people has grown. With "cloud" people have grown comfortable papering over…

> People might just look at it and say "It's just a rack of CPUs and storage." And I can only imagine just how much you might be tempted to throttle them Lol. Bro.

I'm not even the target market for this and I completely understand the feeling there. There's a lot of people who just have no conception of computing hardware anymore. People who are tied to AWS and have spent their entire careers working with AWS and now simply believe with a passion that "that's just how it is" as AWS continues to raise prices while their own cost of compute continues to get cheaper and cheaper. This is a race to the bottom.

This is a hot take, but I think Moore's law/Wright's Law has actually been disastrous for the entire field of software engineering even while it's been an amazing boon to software businesses.

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