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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Capital punishment is the only sane solution. When you put a violent criminal to death, the crime rate is permanently and instantly lowered. If you lock them in a cage for 20 years we all pay the bills and they end up coming out and murdering again on the first day out. Total insanity.

> [death penalty or ultimately useless imprisonment]

This is known as a false dichotomy. Perhaps, instead, we can think of other things which are more agreeable than either of these.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

#692

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every major city has a crime problem and always has. The question is whether the situation is being blown out of proportion by sensationalist media or people with axes to grind. For a group that claims to be so rational, much of the HN crowd commenting here does seem to be averse to relying upon actual data.

> Every major city has a crime problem and always has. This isn’t true. The idea that cities must inherently have crime problems is a form of learned helplessness. You think they must have crime problems because it’s all you’ve ever experienced. Try visiting a city that has low crime, like Singapore or Tokyo.

You're comparing two vastly different cultures. I think it's more apt to evaluate crime levels in relation to poverty.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two quick things: First, you apparently missed this paragraph: Rather, Lee and Momeni were portrayed by police as being familiar with one another. In the wee hours of April 4, they were purportedly driving together through downtown San Francisco in a car registered to the suspect. Doesn't sound to me like the reporter is just speculating based on the LinkedIn profile. Secondly, I'm pretty sure you have the wrong fili…

I was going off the 2010 date but you could be right. I didn't mean to jump to conclusions; just seems like I'm missing some details that leads to the author's convictions. Probably I'm missing the police portrayals mentioned in the article.

The 911 call data was for an address, he likely linked said address to tax data to get the property owner then did LinkedIn search. Additionally could have used arrest data. 911 and arrest in my city don’t have names but by linkage via methods named it’s possible.

At most he used a radius for the 911 call to check possible names, and had a contact at SFPD or the courts to confirm once he had a name.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

I never believed the original assumption in stories. I am skeptical of what I read. Random murders are very rare. He was running a crypto company. Crypto space has plenty of shady things and people.

Same. The minute I read he was wandering about at 230am on a weekday I knew something was fishy. Despite how much reactionary tough-on-crime dorks want you to feel - homeless people rarely commit random murders of non homeless people.

Then like you said - the minute I found out he was in crypto I was 100% convinced he was murdered by someone he knew. Not in any conspiracy view like the feds did it because his company was "too dangerous" to FedNow or something. But because a significant portion of people in crypto are unhinged.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Am I the only one who does NOT feel unsafe in SF at all ? I mean, I choose not to walk in TL and SOMA at night. But why would anyone feel unsafe in North Beach, Marina, Russian Hill, Richmond, Sunset, GG park, Lower Haight, Valencia etc. I have spent many nights walking in Valencia and took Uber home at 2am. Doesn't feel remotely unsafe.

No, you're not the only one. While I don't like the depressing level of homelessness, mental illness, and drug addiction, I generally haven't felt nearly as unsafe as people always play up. If there's a volatile situation around, GTFO, and don't walk in dark neighborhoods at night, de-escalate, that kind of thing helps a lot of course. Also, why do we never factor gun violence into these conversations about safety? I…

> why do we never factor gun violence into these conversations about safety

Because it doesn't particularly matter if you are robbed, hurt, or killed by a gun, knife, bat, or fists.

(And when looking at stats, remember: over half of gun deaths in the U.S. are self-inflicted. Which is still tragic, but different than assault.)

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

#697

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joe Eskenazi shared the identity of the alleged killer, potentially ruining the life/career of someone who may not have killed Bob.

Looks like the SFPD waited a while to verify a possible narrative of what they believe happened before making an arrest. If it's all made up, that would be amazing. Doubtful.

Eh, there’s a reason we have a system where the accused has the right to make their case in court. An arrest is a strong signal but by design has a lower burden of proof than it takes to punish someone within the system. Given that being publicly accused of a heinous crime can do irreparable damage in the age of Google even if ultimately acquitted, I'd rather err on the side of caution here.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

#699

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Any small local news organizations will almost ALWAYS get the scoop on the big ones, for local news. Because the vast majority of "big" news things are a division of some conglomerate and just regurgitate Reuters.

The Chronicle still does a lot of local reporting.

Yes and they rushed to cast this tragedy as part of an imagined crime epidemic.

There are some good contributors to the Chronicle, but they skew fairly conservative for SF and have for a long time.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

Mission Local is great. We are blessed with a wealth of local journalism like Mission Local, Cityside, even SF Standard if I hold my nose about the fact that it is controlled by a reactionary political movement. It is why I never understood the whining about "support your local newspaper". There's no chance of me ever subscribing to the Chronicle. I donate to these other, better news outlets instead.

I have not heard of the SF Standard (I'm not in CA). You seem to value SF Standard (at some level) even while disagreeing with underlying political stances. That juxtaposition seem unfortunately rare in the current era, could you expand on what value they create (for you)?
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