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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by jenadine »

surgical_fire wrote: post #156

Funny thing - I've been using ChatGPT as a programming assistant. My experience with it is that the more knowledgeable I am at the domain, the more useful it is. It often generates code that won't compile or won't run correctly, but that sort of goes in the correct direction, enough that I can spot the blunders and refine my questions. Quite often I even learn a few new things when using it to explore libraries and f…

Note that you are using today's version? How much better will it be in 5 years? What if it is coupled with system who understand the programming languages so you don't get code that doesn't compile anymore?

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by wpietri »

namarie wrote: post #677
wpietri wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is in fact not true. Plenty of retirees seek out job-like things. I have a couple of examples. A small one is my dad. He was a software developer, but thanks to Y2K consulting, he made bank and retired early. After, he spent half the year in Mexico. One of the friends he made there was a teacher. My dad ended up volunteering in the school. He had a part-time-job-like schedule and did teacher's aide things. He lo…

So what you're saying is that when people have more guaranteed income uncoupled from a job they have to do, in this case in the form of a retirement, they can and do choose to do lots of meaningful, enjoyable work? Which I think is the original point in this discussion?

I am responding to somebody who said:

> Look at the kind of people who do not have to work. Do they still work? No.

I'm not sure HN discussions have original points, really. But people do have specific points, and it sounds like you and I both agree that the one I'm replying to is too broad.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by wpietri »

jamilton wrote: post #475
wpietri wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is in fact not true. Plenty of retirees seek out job-like things. I have a couple of examples. A small one is my dad. He was a software developer, but thanks to Y2K consulting, he made bank and retired early. After, he spent half the year in Mexico. One of the friends he made there was a teacher. My dad ended up volunteering in the school. He had a part-time-job-like schedule and did teacher's aide things. He lo…

The labor force participation rate among the general population is ~60%. Among those 65-74, it's 25%. And that's not accounting for people who can't retire. It also doesn't account for those who want to work but are unable.

Ok. How does that relate?

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by great_psy »

qaq wrote: post #650
spaceguillotine wrote: post #640

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i did that, i got injured at work and now can't do physical labor. Trades are hell on the body and bosses will toss you aside without any care. Join a Union if you're gonna go into the trades, i would've had protection and better safety. I took so many people to the ER for work injuries that were preventable but the bosses skimp on everything.

What would you say is the safest trade as far as risk of injury ?

I would say electrician? Your biggest risk is electrocution and asbestos exposure.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by adwn »

breck wrote: post #672
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #664

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We haven’t come up with a better system.

Yes: open source. Open source has proved itself to be vastly superior to closed source development models. It does not generate obscene wealth disparities though—and some see that as a bug.

> Yes: open source.

Open source is not an economic system in the sense in which this term is generally used.

> Open source has proved itself to be vastly superior to closed source development models.

"Superior" by which metric?

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by carapace »

ihateyouall123 wrote: post #586
carapace wrote: post #293

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> It doesn't take into account the ambition and greed of humans and their capacity to exploit others. The talking computers will rapidly become perfect therapists and perfect salesmen. They can talk us "down off the ledge".

Which means they could also push us over the edge. If the weak-minded are currently influenced by today's bots, it's a matter of time until some are testing humans by "pushing limits" if you will

> Which means they could also push us over the edge.

Sure, but that's a separate problem, eh?

We split the atom and built both bombs and power plants, it's a choice we have to make: which to deploy?

We have (or are about to have) the technology to cure psychological and emotional issues at scale. (A good therapist today runs about (I don't know?) $150/hour? Way out of reach for most of us without insurance or subsidy or something, eh? What if that was e.g. $0.0000015/hour?)

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by hgs3 »

HyperSane wrote: post #450

The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.

Exactly this. Advancements in technology should better peoples lives not destroy their livelihoods. We shouldn't suppress technology, but rethink the role of our economy.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by [deleted] »

qaq wrote: post #650
spaceguillotine wrote: post #640

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i did that, i got injured at work and now can't do physical labor. Trades are hell on the body and bosses will toss you aside without any care. Join a Union if you're gonna go into the trades, i would've had protection and better safety. I took so many people to the ER for work injuries that were preventable but the bosses skimp on everything.

What would you say is the safest trade as far as risk of injury ?

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by ska »

qaq wrote: post #650
spaceguillotine wrote: post #640

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i did that, i got injured at work and now can't do physical labor. Trades are hell on the body and bosses will toss you aside without any care. Join a Union if you're gonna go into the trades, i would've had protection and better safety. I took so many people to the ER for work injuries that were preventable but the bosses skimp on everything.

What would you say is the safest trade as far as risk of injury ?

Risk of injury comes from two things: Environment and stresses on the body.

Environmental risks can be mitigated, if the job location inherently has risks, you will be better off with a regulated industry where the regulations have teeth, and probably in a union. Stresses on the body are largely mitigated by having a job that takes more brain than back, but watch out for repetitive motion stuff and mitigate that yourself.

Mostly in the trades you get paid more for some mix of a) having in-demand skills and experience that aren't easy to acquire fast, b) putting up with unpleasant environments, or c) accepting risks. You can probably trade off c against a mix of a) and b).

So for example being a tool and die maker in general is way safer than being a faller. Watch for industry specific stuff too. Kicking carpet is more pleasant and less dangerous than electrical, but it won't pay well and your knees are likely screwed by your mid 40s.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by ilyt »

Xelynega wrote: post #649
goodluckchuck wrote: post #602

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Capitalism is not an economic system, it is a description of fundamental economics. Countries can have a highly regulated form of capitalism where trade and ownership is strictly controlled… and they’re often called socialist or communist, or a laissez faire system. However, so long as people are using land, buildings structures, designing equipment… the laws of capitalism will apply.

> However, so long as people are using land, buildings structures, designing equipment… the laws of capitalism will apply. Capitalism is the system where someone can claim ownership of land/buildings/ideas(typically due to prior ownership) aka "capital". If the laws don't allow someone to make and hold that claim of private ownership, how would the "laws of capitalism" still apply?

> Capitalism is the system where someone can claim ownership of land/buildings/ideas(typically due to prior ownership)

Typically due to paying someone to invent/build them, then continuing to capitalize on essentially someone's else work.

That's the problem. I think we would be in much better situation if the person who worked on something reaped majority of benefits, and not boss of their boss.

Instead we have IP producers needing to produce thru their whole productive life, while having their IP ownership assigned to corporations because that's what their employment contract allows, and nobody else in society being able to benefit (without paying not-the-author of it), even tho near everything relies on what came before.

That then can be used by corporations either long enough to stifle innovation and competition (patents), or even long enough that nobody involved is alive anymore (copyright law), all while paying far lower taxes than people they hire.

Like, capitalism might have some problems but they are by far exacerbated by how law around it works. Any technology that increases performance by far benefits the owners of company the most and they pay less taxes on top of that.

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