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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by hospitalJail »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

>How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?

I think this is standard for most laptops that cost over $600

Or at least my experience with my Asus and Acer brand 'gaming' laptops.

My computer from 2014 is still my daily driver and I use it for modern gaming. This 2014 computer even does CAD with no slowdowns, its really hard to justify buying something new. I can afford a new computer, I just havent had a reason to. Maybe with AI, I might spend like 35k on a tower so I can run my own LLMs.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by switch007 »

brundolf wrote: post #462
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #454

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The amount of people that do almost nothing beside use spreadsheets, the browser, and email is pretty significant. The fact that these people keep updating devices constantly is a testament to Apple's marketing. I would be astounded if ~80% of users get any material benefit from a laptop newer than a high-end device from 4 years ago.

The first thing I noticed when getting an M1 was that Jira became fast

Give them time, they’ll fix that

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by SoftTalker »

chongli wrote: post #653
SoftTalker wrote: post #543

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> for what he does (email, web browsing) A $200 Chromebook will work fine.

That’s opting him in to Google’s data collection engine. I would not do that to my dad!

Chances are he's already using gmail, chrome, and google search. But yeah, Chromebook is a full-on google walled garden.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by hospitalJail »

bombcar wrote: post #501
anthonypasq wrote: post #449

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did you ever stop to think that maybe if they bought a $1200 windows machine it would have lasted 4 years. also macs were very early to hop on the ssd train and that was an insane advantage over most windows machines. I think that gap has closed substantially at this point.

The problem is finding the $1200 windows machine that feels valuable and worth it after four years; it's hard to find one that has the "build quality" if you will. Maybe people with the Surface are pleased with it still, that looked pretty nice.

Get something with a video card and SSD.

Ignore 'build quality' that is marketing nonsense that companies use to exploit you.

Last year I picked up a computer with these requirements for $550. Its been flawless.

If I was going to spend another $700, I'd either get 2, or upgrade my video card.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by olyjohn »

dimmke wrote: post #527
runjake wrote: post #503

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> I am surprised I am getting downvoted Probably for this statement: > FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. and subsequently for this flamey statement: > You would think more folks on HN would be happy about long lasting products but the anti-apple bias is strong enough to override the concern of having a more sustainable product. FWIW, it seems like you got incredibly lucky. In recent years, I've been t…

I guess I got lucky too. Because I bought a 2012 MBP (the first generation that had the HiDPI Retina displays) and it lasted me over 6 years of daily, hard use. It was still in decent condition but my job at the time got me one of the newer ones. Of course, that one had the bad keyboard and had to be swapped. 2016-2020 the dark ages but outside of that 4 year period (that Apple has firmly reversed course on), Apple's…

Maybe you were lucky, maybe I was unlucky... Even before 2016-2020, I had 3 MacBooks that just straight up crapped out on me. Two were the nvidia graphics chips that would come desoldered or something. Another one just died one day for no reason. I am not trying to say that they are bad laptop, but on average, I think they are just as prone to dying as any other laptop. I don't think they are particularly "excellent." I've worked on hundreds of laptops, and I can't really say one brand does any better than the rest. Some make expensive laptops that are total garbage, some make cheap laptops that are really good. Assuming the laptop is spec'd how you need it, the quality is going to come down to your luck, and that's about all.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by varispeed »

nrki wrote: post #404
varispeed wrote: post #351

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> with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. Technically it is replaceable - replacement of surface mount components isn't actually too difficult and tools that are needed are affordable. Problem is that the Apple won't give an option to buy memory or SSD chips on an open market. While the replacement wouldn't be feasible for a typical laptop user, plenty of mobile repair shops would have done…

> Technically it is replaceable It's not user-replaceable. It would not be _that_ difficult for Apple to keep a SODIMM slot free, or even come up with a new standard - as they are wont to do. Apple sacrificed upgradability in the name of making more money - it's as simple as that.

> It's not user-replaceable.

Well, it's not because Apple doesn't give access to parts, otherwise it would be.

Not sure how use of hot air station suddenly makes it something that a user can't do?

You can buy a hot air station for less than $100 and it will do the job. Only caveat is that the replacement part needs to be new (so it has pre-applied solder balls) - otherwise you'd need to reball which a bit more difficult, but not something that can't be done at home.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by moralestapia »

runjake wrote: post #503
game_the0ry wrote: post #370

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FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

> I am surprised I am getting downvoted Probably for this statement: > FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. and subsequently for this flamey statement: > You would think more folks on HN would be happy about long lasting products but the anti-apple bias is strong enough to override the concern of having a more sustainable product. FWIW, it seems like you got incredibly lucky. In recent years, I've been t…

>FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time.

They are, though.

I'm on my 4th MacBook and all have lasted me at least 5 years. The reason I upgrade them is to get more speed/specs, not because they stopped working, I even sold them and made back some small $$.

PS The touchbar thing was nonsense, I didn't jump on that, as well as other gimmicks. Still the MBP is a solid option.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by j7f3 »

FpUser wrote: post #431
game_the0ry wrote: post #370

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FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

>How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years? Even the battery life is still ok. I am going to have to force her to consider the air bc the old 13 is a security risk without OS updates. My ASUS G73 is 12 years old. I stuffed it with 32GB RAM and it works just fine. I use it to create 3D models and assemblies. I do clone the SSD once in a while but still there was no need to replace. Since I use it mostly as a porta…

I have an Asus G75 and I will never buy any hardware from Asus again. I rarely used that thing, basically once or twice per month yet the battery died after just a few years, then the keyboard, then the screen, and it weighs a ton too.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by wffurr »

AlexandrB wrote: post #675

I've been itching to get a new MacBook (still running my trusty 2015 MBP), but the price is a killer. I like my laptop screens "as big as I can get them" and the cheapest 16" MBP is over $3000CAD while still having the same RAM and storage as my 2015.

It’s rumored that Apple will release a 15” MacBook Air model soon: https://www.macrumors.com/guide/15-inch-macbook-air/

That might decouple screen size from premium specs and bring the cost down.

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Post by matwood »

altcognito wrote: post #267
chii wrote: post #164

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But a mac air is a luxury item, and its pricing reflects that. I don't think it's absurd at all. A similarly capable laptop could be had for a much lower price, so people that complain they cannot get this luxury item for an "affordable" price just sounds entitled to me.

I would love to hear more macOS users admit that their equipment was a status indicator, overpriced for what it is. I’m sure apple is excited about cultivating this brand identity. If there is one way I can think that they could get away from the “Sony” or Nike model, it’s being seen as a luxury item, a tool of the select few, instead of just a high quality brand, that yes, might be a little more expensive. -- Just a…

> I would love to hear more macOS users admit that their equipment was a status indicator, overpriced for what it is.

I would love something like my M1 Max MBP running macOS for less money. Since my first G4 PB, I have never thought of it as a status thing. I like the mac GUI with unix underpinnings. It's also popular enough that most common software runs w/o issue, and it has a lot great indie programs (though that market is sadly shrinking).

EDIT

At least in nerd circles while growing up, the high status thing to do was run linux on the desktop. /shrug

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