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Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by throwawaymaths »

r3trohack3r wrote: post #494
withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

Me too, but from the inside. I spent a lot of time watching C-SPAN and similar “raw footage” sites in my youth. It was fun seeing inside the sausage factory. The raw footage has changed substantially in recent years. I watched recent senate hearings and, instead of bringing expert witnesses to educate senators to help them better do their job, it seems hearings (and basically any other chance at being in front of a c…

Let's not forget at one point in the US senate a senator was nearly caned to death in order to pwn the opposition argument. I don't know how we come back from that.

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Post by withinboredom »

rayiner wrote: post #689
withinboredom wrote: post #679

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Kids getting pissed off and anyone able to walk into a store and buy a gun, without knowing how to use it or store it properly… but that’s just a guess.

It’s illegal to sell guns to minors in even deep red states like Tennessee. And the percentage of households with guns (where kids can get access to them) has declined dramatically, from 47% in 1973 to 31% in 2014. https://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS%20Reports/GSS_Trends%20in%20Gu...

31% is about 1 out of 3. That’s a big number.

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Post by TeeMassive »

jedberg wrote: post #475
TeeMassive wrote: post #464

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Explain Coca-Cola and Walt Disney

They are big companies that have lobbied for laws that benefit them and had them written in ways that benefit them the most? I’m not even sure what you’re talking about.

Coca-Cola was the only company that could import coca leafs in industrial quantity.

Also, "save Mickey Mouse Act"

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Post by goldfeld »

ddoolin wrote: post #448
goldfeld wrote: post #116

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It is also surprising to realize that China and the chinese actually think as a nation and have a sense of collectivism, whereas the US is to each their gun and their million dollars in the bank. China has always had this sense of being one thing, historically, and even the atrocious regimes, emperors, and dictators are always representative of a populace wish to centralize and control things fluidly and efficiently.…

...because they killed or chased away any dissenters, now and historically. Look at Taiwan, or Hong Kong, the revolution, or Xinjiang. It isn't some innate characteristic of the Chinese, it is intentional.

True, I had not thought about the survivorship bias, literally genetic I guess.

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Post by kelseyfrog »

tuxpenguine wrote: post #500
kelseyfrog wrote: post #154

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Because open markets and free speech are national values, not tit-for-tat teenage diplomatic drama. We're supposed to be better than that.

The idea of open markets is that no player is given favorable treatment by the government. If you allow a player that comes from a country that treats its citizens as human farms, I wouldn't call that open markets.

The two statements just don't logically follow. A better argument would be that the US, in an effort to improve human rights, sets a minimum threshold for market participation at the level of nations. Unfortunately, that's not the argument being made.

Open markets mean what it says on the tin - markets without barrier. Saying, "We're barring actors for entering the market for reason X," means closed markets even is X is "treating people poorly."

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Post by rayiner »

withinboredom wrote: post #692
rayiner wrote: post #689

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It’s illegal to sell guns to minors in even deep red states like Tennessee. And the percentage of households with guns (where kids can get access to them) has declined dramatically, from 47% in 1973 to 31% in 2014. https://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS%20Reports/GSS_Trends%20in%20Gu...

31% is about 1 out of 3. That’s a big number.

Except mass shootings are much more prevalent now than they were in the 1970s. If you see the dependent variable going up as your proposed independent variable is going down, that raises questions about your theory of causation.

Also, America’s current rate of household gun ownership is about the same as Canada, Norway, and Switzerland in the 1990s: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1485564/pdf/cma... (p. 1723). France and Finland were in the low -20s, not exactly disarmed. But our current homicide rate (65 per million) is more than double Canada’s, five times higher than Norway’s, and six times higher than Switzerland’s rates when those countries had similar percentages of households with guns as america does now.

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

imbnwa wrote: post #658
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #410

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>I’m not sure which part of our national security surveillance state apparatus is endangered by foreign ownership, The propaganda part. Remember a month ago when everyone's feed had a video in it from the TikTok CEO encouraging people to side with TikTok. They are scared shitless of not being mostly in control of that kind of power when applied to Americans. They are worried that the next Saddam is going to pay TikTo…

>Remember a month ago when everyone's feed had a video in it from the TikTok CEO encouraging people to side with TikTok. Remember how Elon makes it a point to stick himself into everybody's Twitter feed and even fired a guy for not maximizing this further?

The establishment can squash Elon if he gets so far out of line that it pisses a critical mass of them off. He's a US Citizen. His business assets are in the US (mostly). They can get at him so long as some large subset of "they" is ok enough with it.

They can't do that with "hypothetical Chinese Elon" so long as said Elon remains in good standing with the powers that be there.

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Post by withinboredom »

rayiner wrote: post #696
withinboredom wrote: post #692

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31% is about 1 out of 3. That’s a big number.

Except mass shootings are much more prevalent now than they were in the 1970s. If you see the dependent variable going up as your proposed independent variable is going down, that raises questions about your theory of causation. Also, America’s current rate of household gun ownership is about the same as Canada, Norway, and Switzerland in the 1990s: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1485564/pdf/cma... (p.…

There’s a big difference between gun ownership in those countries vs the US. In those countries, you can’t just toss loaded guns in your glove box (with the safeties off!) like I’ve seen some of my American friends do. Americans have literally zero training on how to use the weapons they own.

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Post by imbnwa »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #697
imbnwa wrote: post #658

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>Remember a month ago when everyone's feed had a video in it from the TikTok CEO encouraging people to side with TikTok. Remember how Elon makes it a point to stick himself into everybody's Twitter feed and even fired a guy for not maximizing this further?

The establishment can squash Elon if he gets so far out of line that it pisses a critical mass of them off. He's a US Citizen. His business assets are in the US (mostly). They can get at him so long as some large subset of "they" is ok enough with it. They can't do that with "hypothetical Chinese Elon" so long as said Elon remains in good standing with the powers that be there.

The establishment will give him carte blanche if Musk's Twitter purchase proves out for the GOP Presidential election

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Post by jasmer »

Jiro wrote: post #594
jasmer wrote: post #354

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They both take orders from their respective governments, but the nature of those orders, the nature of the business, the relative power, the domain over which the information is valid, transparency, proportionality etc are all very different. ByteDance isn't under the direct authority at any given moment of CCP, but, they will, at any time, receive arbitrary orders for any particular reason, and they will follow them…

>ByteDance isn't under the direct authority at any given moment of CCP, but, they will, at any time, receive arbitrary orders for any particular reason, and they will follow them. If Musk hadn't bought Twitter, we never would have been able to prove that this is also true for Twitter and arbitrary orders from the American government.

Musk had destroyed Twitter and made it simply a means to amplify his voice and those of his buddies, and those he likes most.
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