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Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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Loss of religious grounding. Christianity was the north star for our societies, it organized people, align them to work together, put the future(love) before personal interest(excess pleasures, sins) Without religion we are going to fail. There never was a working society without religion. Yes we are in a different time, we have to update our stories, but if we throw them out we are going to collapse. Ex: does a doct…

I'm curious how you explain Japan. Their traditional religions have never been very big on moral instruction, certainly not the way Christianity is, and today a supermajority of the population doesn't take religion seriously at all. And yet you have a generally well-behaved populace, low crime, very low rates of out-of-wedlock births, and so on. They have their own problems, of course, but not so much these particula…

I don’t know much about Japan. I know they have a huge problem of low birth rate, they could be on a path of extinction.

For sure there is a mix of cultural norms that are mixed with religions.

I see religion as knowledge that span multiple generations, saving the new ones from falling in the same mistakes as the previous ones. The religions that produced productive and resilient (and combative) cultures thrived, they others disappeared. In a sense like our dna they are evolutive adaptations, but they can evolve much faster and can spread horizontally.

I think they all end up reflecting patterns from reality in a way that is transmissible between humans of different level of education and cognition.

Now, we look at them with very skepticals eyes (for good reasons) but they contain wisdom that we cannot get in one human live. I think we have gone too far in pushing them away, now we need to look at them with humility, just like we wouldn’t modify our dna without care.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#692
Children; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when elders enter the room, they contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers. Children are now tyrants!

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#693
post #7

I think you're way off base. It's called rosy retrospection, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection . As you already mentioned in your comments, you're judging the past disproportionately more positive that the present. If you really want to know if everything is declining, try measure it everyday for the next five years. For example, every day, rate your personal well being, track how (un)happy you are wit…

This is just personal but anytime I feel similar to the OP, I watch something by Hans Rosling [1] or Anna Rosling [2]. Although 10 and 5 years old respectively, I feel the general sentiment is still true - that human progress is slow, in the background and might be ebbing and flowing in your specific sub-population. And when compared to the present, media narrative driven present its hard to see the improvements happ…

Just wanted to say I watched them both and the Anna one was really helpful. Thanks.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#694

A lot of this is related to inequality, value of labour detaching from wealth, and the increasing unaffordability of life. The material conditions of regular people are continuously getting worse as more and more of their income is stripped away by rent seeking oligopolies, mainly increasing housing costs but depending on your jurisdiction all sorts of other costs (eg. cable and mobile phone costs an issue in some pl…

Am I wrong to think these are just a typical Marxist class-struggle talking points? At any rate, blaming the problems on inequality seems a lot like seeing everything as nail when all you have is a hammer. I'm not sure why OP's complaint that people don't care as much, or that they are loud and inconsiderate, necessarily has anything to do with inequality. The might feel like there's no chance to get ahead so I'm jus…

Inequality and poverty are what fueled the very active socialists and communists and swelled the ranks of unions. The great depression only showed that the monied few needed to be constrained. Collectivism was the response to the greed of the time. And collectivists pushed FDR into his new deal reforms to build a social safety net in the US.

That was the greatest generation. It grew out of Marxist talking points.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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> Software seems to be overrun by a mentality that any future cost is worth it to save even 1 minute of development time… From the instant the idea to do something pops into management’s heads, or is explained to them by sales (who heard it from a customer), the clock is ticking. Actually developing the software necessary is just an irritating overhead. Something to be reduced to near zero. A one-dimensional “scalar”…

> Quality, maintainability, simplicity, doesn’t come into it and all management hear from you is technobabble, like Scotty explaining why the dilithium crystals need time to cycle.

In his TNG appearance, Scotty explained to LaForge he padded every single estimate he gave to Kirk, because Kirk would inevitably ask for more or faster. The episode aired in 1992.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#697
post #7

I think you're way off base. It's called rosy retrospection, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection . As you already mentioned in your comments, you're judging the past disproportionately more positive that the present. If you really want to know if everything is declining, try measure it everyday for the next five years. For example, every day, rate your personal well being, track how (un)happy you are wit…

Pick up the book "Knockemstiff" for a good perspective on how bad things used to be. Things are better then they have ever been, but we all have a responsibility to continue improvement instead of tearing it down to rebuild it (worse).

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#698
post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean I think the existence of new tech makes it harder to enforce. In the 80's there was an issue with noise on the subway when boomboxes became popular, but they were heavy and expensive to operate. With smartphones and bluetooth speakers, literally anyone on the subway can annoy the rest of the train car with minimal effort. In fact, it takes a bit more effort now (remember headphones, or mute phone), to actually…

“ I honestly subscribe to the maxim that humanity doesn't really change.” This maxim is probably wrong, since humanity and said human behavior is a function of the environment which is objectively changing.

That’s only if you believe humans are some kind of tabula rasa. I don’t.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#699

> Police seem to not give a shit anymore. I've noticed what seems to be total lawlessness going on in my world. Folks stealing shit. People driving absurdly dangerously in cars that are not designed to travel like that. (tailgating, lane switch, accelerating at the fastest I've ever seen a beat up Sentra do...) . I never see cops hit lights and sirens at them People say this like a truism. Go to a store, like Walmart…

>Go to a store, like Walmart or Target, fill up a basket with some goods, and then not pay for it. People do this all the time and get away with it. Home Depots have famously been ripped off by people filling carts with power tools and walking out with staff barely batting an eye.

yes, but this does not prove crime is worse or lawlessness. Shoplifting is as old as stores. The small but definite risk of being arrested is the deterrent.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#700

The economy is just increasingly fake or rewarding foolish scummy behaviour instead of honest cooperative work. People coasted for 10+ years now on "passive income" from printed money along with almost no enforcement action against scams. That gave rise to a chain reaction of people trying to scam each other in a general revenge. Take for example a big slice of the economy - real estate. Honest real estate agents who…

I commented elsewhere but I studied Econ in college because it was a particular interest of mine. I hated it. I also wanted to understand it, so that I could know why it rubbed me the wrong way and live intentionally to push against it. There was this moment when I was in a grad course and the professor was talking about self-optimizing markets. That's when it hit me. I literally stood up in the class, interrupted ev…

> you could achieve a fully "optimized" economy with literally everything being owned by a handful of people.

Wait, no. That would only be true if all the other people were unable to perform any valuable work. Otherwise it would be more efficient to hire them and profit by selling their goods/services to one of the other handful of rich people.

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