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Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by nathias »

cm2187 wrote: post #665
andreyk wrote: post #108

It does not seem like this really exposed any new information - Twitter publicly justified its actions as being about its hacked data policy back when this all happened ( https://www.nationalreview.com/news/twitter-cites-hacked-mat... ). All this shows is some internal disagreement as to whether that was the right call. By the way, Facebook also suppressed the news story citing its misinformation policy ( https://www…

These policies were always a pretext. The two major social networks blocking the same story at the same time citing different policies that are obviously inconsistently applied (did Twitter block the story about Trump's leaked tax returns? Did facebook block Biden when he claimed that covid would be gone once everyone was vaccinated?). These emails show twitter executives puzzled by the application of those policies.…

the life of a politically inconvenient story:

1. it's conspiracy theory

2. it was obvious to everyone

3. forgotten

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by rpmisms »

justsomeadvice0 wrote: post #486

tl;dr: 1. important entities like American government administrators and political candidates can report Twitter ToS violation for review via a dedicated line with a fast expected turnaround 2. the Biden laptop story was treated as misinformation for 24 hours before being corrected The 11th tweet supposes to "release the kraken" here: > This system wasn't balanced. It was based on contacts. Because Twitter was and is…

> TBH I would be happy to see an argument for this. As always I am left disappointed.

It is (was) reality. Have you met average big-tech non-coder?

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by demarq »

andreyk wrote: post #108

It does not seem like this really exposed any new information - Twitter publicly justified its actions as being about its hacked data policy back when this all happened ( https://www.nationalreview.com/news/twitter-cites-hacked-mat... ). All this shows is some internal disagreement as to whether that was the right call. By the way, Facebook also suppressed the news story citing its misinformation policy ( https://www…

It exposed that the public was being misled by powerful communications company. One that deemed itself influential enough to politics as to introduce rafts of policies and tools to remain fair and factual.

The scandal is that these very same policies and tools were being lent to the rich and powerful to distort the publics perception. The very thing Twitter wanted us to trust it was not doing, was exactly what it was doing.

It raises important questions on ethics and no amount of “we already know” makes this ethical.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by remarkEon »

cycomanic wrote: post #678
remarkEon wrote: post #641

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's weird to think about. If you switched the characters here, we all know that this would be the biggest story ever about social media. "Trump Campaign coordinates with Twitter to rig the election" would be the headlines. 2016 really and truly broke so many people's brains.

The person you're responding to literally wrote that both campaigns requested tweets to be reviewed and for both parties twitter honoured the requests. So he actually knew about the opposite side doing the same thing and contrary to your assertion he is not outraged.

> You would be literally fuming about how Fascists Are Hanging Democracy From The Rope if Biden and Trump was switched in this case.

I think you’re replying to the wrong comment

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by noduerme »

cm2187 wrote: post #665
andreyk wrote: post #108

It does not seem like this really exposed any new information - Twitter publicly justified its actions as being about its hacked data policy back when this all happened ( https://www.nationalreview.com/news/twitter-cites-hacked-mat... ). All this shows is some internal disagreement as to whether that was the right call. By the way, Facebook also suppressed the news story citing its misinformation policy ( https://www…

These policies were always a pretext. The two major social networks blocking the same story at the same time citing different policies that are obviously inconsistently applied (did Twitter block the story about Trump's leaked tax returns? Did facebook block Biden when he claimed that covid would be gone once everyone was vaccinated?). These emails show twitter executives puzzled by the application of those policies.…

what's super fun now is watching one mod try to run twitter without any written policies whatsoever.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by mpweiher »

somenameforme wrote: post #543
anonu wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A two party system works. I'm from a country with a 20+ party system and it's dysfunctional. In addition, you can't lump Democrats or Republicans in the USA in their respective boats. There's a hundred shades of grey within each party. But rallying behind one candidate versus a hundred in a primary makes for a better setup than anything else I've seen in other countries.

I don't really agree with you but you shouldn't be grayed out. The idea of a dysfunctional government sounds bad, but ironically that is precisely what the Founding Fathers endeavored to create. And it sounds absurd for all the reasons you're certainly aware of. Yet is the opposite desirable? In modern US politics, parties have become capable of enacting pretty substantial change on very narrow margins. This can be g…

> yet the 2020 election was now decided by as few as 45,000 votes

In 2020, the popular vote difference was slightly over 7 million votes, and it went the same direction as the electoral college.

> It was big news when the 2016 election was decided by as few as 78,000 votes,

It was big news, because the electoral college vote went against the popular vote, which had 2.8 million more voting for Hillary Clinton.

> A bit of dysfunction to cool things (and people) down doesn't seem so bad

Yep!

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by LightG »

Within the first few tweets are the gymnastics to expose twitter while defending Dorsey.

I stopped reading after that.

There may or may not be some important stuff here, but I'm not going to read it through that lens.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by Taniwha »

romellem wrote: post #296
Dig1t wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598827602403160064 Biden team asking Twitter to "handle" tweets they don't like. This rubs me the wrong way, nobody in government should be telling Twitter to remove speech.

Did you read your own source? The Biden team never asked Twitter staff to “handle” anything. They forwarded tweets that [violated twitter’s ToS][1], a Twitter staff member forwarded them for review, and at that point the reviewer said they “handled these.” That’s what content moderation is supposed to do! [1]: https://twitter.com/parkebench/status/1598841731763810304

And besides at the time Trump was the government

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by LightG »

Dig1t wrote: post #118
andreyk wrote: post #108

It does not seem like this really exposed any new information - Twitter publicly justified its actions as being about its hacked data policy back when this all happened ( https://www.nationalreview.com/news/twitter-cites-hacked-mat... ). All this shows is some internal disagreement as to whether that was the right call. By the way, Facebook also suppressed the news story citing its misinformation policy ( https://www…

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598827602403160064 Biden team asking Twitter to "handle" tweets they don't like. This rubs me the wrong way, nobody in government should be telling Twitter to remove speech.

My first impression is I strongly agree with you.

And then I remember the number of people around me who got jobs because they "knew" someone.

I'm not even nearly shocked by this. And if you are, you don't recognize human nature.

Should it happen? No.

But it's a private company. They can do wtf they like. Just like Elon is doing now.

Should it be regulated? Maybe.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by antiterra »

killdozer wrote: post #648
fzeroracer wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just that, but revenge porn is literally illegal in the state of California, where Twitter is HQ'd. I'm getting increasingly annoyed by people pointing to those removed tweets as a smoking gun while being completely unaware that we know the contents of said tweet and said tweets can easily be interpreted as violating Twitter's ToS at minimum and actively violating California law at worst.

They're clearly not acting in good faith and you should stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.

I think there’s a lot more at play than lack of good faith. It’s incredibly tantalizing and comforting to buy into a narrative that the other side is engaged in an unforgivable scandal that will eventually result in your side regaining power or moral superiority. We’re all trapped in an out of control rumor machine just in time for the arrival of AI generated misinformation.
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