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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by toomuchtodo »

dpifke wrote: post #667
Maursault wrote: post #534

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but I can see almost anyone falling into the exact same trap hes fallen into if they lived his life. Kanye is a garden variety manic-depressive. It has likely been exacerbated by stress and self-medicating with the wrong drugs, causing instability, paranoia and delusion. Bipolar disorder is genetic, it doesn't develop due to no one being able to say "no" to them. What you are describing, however, is one way that Na…

(Retracting my comment. Kanye West has publicly talked about having bipolar disorder, see link below. Thank you to toomuchtodo for digging up that reference!)

https://www.thecut.com/2022/02/kanye-west-bipolar-disorder.h...

> Kanye, who is now legally known by his nickname, Ye, was diagnosed with bipolar disorder after being hospitalized for a psychiatric emergency in 2016. In the years since, he’s spoken about experiencing manic episodes, often tweeting and performing through them. He has famously referred to bipolar disorder as his “superpower,” and spoke candidly about the stigma around mental illness on David Letterman’s show in 2019. “I ramp up, I go high,” he said of his episodes, describing feelings of paranoia and delusions, as well as being handcuffed, drugged, and hospitalized.

https://www.google.com/search?q=kanye+npd+narcissist

https://www.google.com/search?q=kanye+drug+abuse+addiction

(In no way is this comment intended to be derogatory towards any party, only citations)

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by mariusor »

themitigating wrote: post #480
mariusor wrote: post #329

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I personally would dismiss you as a lunatic and racist in both cases and move on with my day. However I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to make a fool of yourself if you so choose. Making you feel like a martyr because you are being "censored" is worse in my opinion than allowing you to express your points of view and hopefully be receptive to counter arguments.

What of people that read hypothetical posts like mine and decide to shoot up a synagogue. https://www.wired.com/story/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-ga...

I think you're trivializing the issue quite a bit. But yes, I dislike the paternalism of considering everyone else on the internet stupid and incapable to making informed decisions when facing questionable points of view.

I'm not qualified to speak with any authority about this issue, but my opinion is that people that are willing to shoot other people most likely have other incentives than reading a singular's dude online hate ramblings. The problem lies with the fact that they gets ostracized and _all_ they are able to read are the hateful things. If you go through the thread above, you'll see that my stance is the complete opposite of that: let's allow people say the "bad" things and balance them out with other peoples' "good" things.

This theoretically would ensure that this person is not exposed to only hate and negativity, and will hopefully make a better decision than ending others' life and their own.

Forcing this unbalanced individual to retreat into a corner of the internet where his opinion on other people goes unchallenged is unquestionably A BAD THING, and I doubt I'll change my mind on this fact any time soon.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by seti0Cha »

colinmhayes wrote: post #291
seti0Cha wrote: post #189

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> Why do we need an absolute free speech platform? What good does it do? I think the better question is, what harm does not having a free speech platform do? I think the answer is fairly evident when you look at how the ability to control speech has been used throughout history. The justification, I would also suggest, has always been the same as the ones being advanced now. People act like it was social media that r…

We have a free speech platform though. Practically everyone has decided not to use it. I think the echo chamber that self selecting which moderators you want has created huge problems, but we can't force people to use 4chan when they don't want to.

I think you misunderstand my position. I'm not saying twitter should be unmoderated, I'm responding to the question as to why free speech is important. I would say that the internet itself is a free speech platform, and that's a very good thing. I'm perfectly content to let people converse under whatever rules they choose as long as there is choice.

I will say in regard to twitter though that excessive policing of speech creates a segregation of audiences and consequently increases echo chambers, which is probably not what those speech police were trying to accomplish. I think it would be healthier for society if it were a little more tolerant, but that's not really related to my position on free speech.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by balls187 »

unity1001 wrote: post #632

You people are saying how that is crazy or Kanye has gone crazy, having a breakdown etc, but there is a method to the madness: He ran for president in 2020. He has been posturing himself as a conservative since a while. This move fits into that pattern and signals that he is going to go into GOP politics.

That was my thought as well. He is saying outlandish things to poise himself to run for president in 2024. His relationship to Candace Owens is what tipped off his plan to me.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by errantmind »

Absolute free speech platforms don't work for the majority of people because they have no way of constraining participants to the Overton Window.

It may be hard to understand for some, but there are topics that make people highly uncomfortable. These people prefer an environment that 'protects' them from fringe ideas.

The issue is, the 'Overton Enforcement' doesn't work when a large minority (say, 30% of users) has ideas considered highly controversial to the majority of users. Most people actually do want to live in a bubble most of the time so being exposed to these opinions undermines their sanity.

A 100% free speech platform could work fairly well though if it was sophisticated enough to understand what a user does and doesn't want to see and then only occasionally expose them to controversial content. Kind of like TikTok's 'for you' page but with less censorship. Or, perhaps, let users control their exposure directly. Twitter doesn't have the technical capability to pull this off though so they are stuck with occasionally infuriating large minorities of users.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by balls187 »

enragedcacti wrote: post #665
unity1001 wrote: post #632

You people are saying how that is crazy or Kanye has gone crazy, having a breakdown etc, but there is a method to the madness: He ran for president in 2020. He has been posturing himself as a conservative since a while. This move fits into that pattern and signals that he is going to go into GOP politics.

Where does "going death con 3 on jewish people" fall into his grand plan?

Courting conservatives.

Remember these guys: https://www.splcenter.org/file/15770

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Post by BWStearns »

kibwen wrote: post #323
Joeri wrote: post #256

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I used to be free speech absolutist, but I am not any longer, especially when it comes to social media. The argument in favor of absolute free speech for me was basically “let everyone hear everything and make up their own mind”. This presumes that people are swayed by the content of an argument. This is a false assumption, people are mostly swayed by the volume of the argument. This is well documented in psychologic…

Same here. The notion of "free speech" was one of the most successful and liberating memes (in the original sense of the word) in human history. But with the advent of technology, overflow attacks on free speech make unrestricted speech as useless as no speech. It's like living in darkness, and then someone invents light, and everyone cries "more light", and it's great, and then after a while the light gets so bright…

To borrow from Popehat:

> If you block people on Twitter you’re not truly open to different arguments or ideas. Similarly if you were truly open to trying new and different foods, you’d eat this hot dog I found in the gutter.

I think in the context of social media the replacement/adjunct rallying cry is "free association", i.e. moderation. I don't have to engage with racist nonsense or the people who produce it.

How exactly that's done is certainly an area for competition/innovation between the social networks, but ultimately the ability to not have to hear some categories of speech is the answer.

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Post by bheadmaster »

anm89 wrote: post #666
Maursault wrote: post #534

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> but I can see almost anyone falling into the exact same trap hes fallen into if they lived his life. Kanye is a garden variety manic-depressive. It has likely been exacerbated by stress and self-medicating with the wrong drugs, causing instability, paranoia and delusion. Bipolar disorder is genetic, it doesn't develop due to no one being able to say "no" to them. What you are describing, however, is one way that Na…

This is word salad. A bunch of psycho-babel that gives the impression of a deep understanding of the human psyche when in reality it shows at best the ability to memorize the criteria around a few invented categories and give a horoscope based off of them. I wouldn't make a point of saying this on other topics but it's crazy how much damage this stuff causes to people's lives

Spot on.

Armchair psychiatrists seem to love to diagnoze the people they don't like with various disorders as a way of insulting by proxy.

Since when is a celebrity writing contraversial stuff on Twitter a big deal?

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by philippejara »

themitigating wrote: post #480
mariusor wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally would dismiss you as a lunatic and racist in both cases and move on with my day. However I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to make a fool of yourself if you so choose. Making you feel like a martyr because you are being "censored" is worse in my opinion than allowing you to express your points of view and hopefully be receptive to counter arguments.

What of people that read hypothetical posts like mine and decide to shoot up a synagogue. https://www.wired.com/story/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-ga...

they get arrested. The amount of violence that could be attributed to this sort of thing is so minuscule its barely a rounding error in overall figures. Just like school shootings it's extremely publicized but when it comes to the actual numbers it's nothing.

On another note I'd go as far as to say that prohibiting it will make them even more radical and entrenched in their beliefs, germany has extremely strict anti-nazi laws and yet never stopped having neo-nazis, much to the contrary[0]. The people who are going to go as far as real life actions will find the daily stormer or whatever other website and now he will feel like a martyr and justified of some conspiracy or whatever.

[0]:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/06/german-police-...

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by anoonmoose »

0x445442 wrote: post #490
logicalmonster wrote: post #436

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I never want to be engaged in mind-reading, but it seems to me that the people who are shouting about him being mentally ill the loudest are doing so in a way to justify stifling everything he says, as if saying "he's mentally ill" ends any conceivable discussion about any of his ideas. I think my general question remains. "How could an average outside observer distinguish between another's mental illness and a guy w…

Even if he’s known to be mentally ill, his ideas can still stand. Take Ted Kaczynski for example. His actions were inexcusable but his ideas and writings on technology and its relationship to society have value.

Do you think Kanye's claims that Hollywood Jews have placed child actors in his home to sexualize his children will stand the test of time and be shown to have value?
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