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> this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. How were Snowden revelations of USG Bigtech relationship materially different from what's happening here? Maybe it was less transparent? Any "woke" person can see the cognitive dissonance here. It's all fine that you use the geopolitical rivalry argument but not if you try to paint one side of…
You gotta remember a lot of people on HN work for, and already drank the FAANG kool-aid.
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American companies working against national security will be held accountable. A Chinese companh working against american national security will be celebrated at home instead.
> American companies working against national security will be held accountable .. are you sure about that? The argument is often made that the First Amendment (and the second amendment!) provide Americans (and not foreign nationals or companies operating within America) with a constitutional right to work against American national security.
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China is not the US. China's kompromat and industrial espionage policies differ from those of the US. It is off base to compare while ignoring intentions and impact, because they're Very different countries.
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We can nitpick til the end of time, and I agree with you on those points. Like I said in my comment, nobody is perfect. Hell my own people were used as slaves for the longest times and called "sub humans". We can do this for so many countries, I mean some of them literally murdered millions of people in camps (Germany, USSR, China), some of them were so corrupt their entire nations failed (Sri Lanka, African nations…
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American companies working against national security will be held accountable. A Chinese companh working against american national security will be celebrated at home instead.
... as will be an American company working against Chinese national security. Kettle. Pot.
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“The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.”
Reciprocity is so fundamental to nature that people can’t stop doing it: Most of the studies about “people are irrational” are times psychologists fail to realize that people are acting on an iterated (rather than single round) game — and enforcing reciprocity through their “irrational” acts. We know at an instinctive level that reciprocity is necessary in game theory — eg, Iterated Prisoner’s Dilemma.
You always start out by cooperating but if someone defects on you, you defect on them.
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I actually think it's naive. Sure if military personnel or state department use TikTok that can create security risks, but the same is true with any other social media network. The additional data that TikTok tries to gather from the mobile OSs is insignificant compared to what you can get from videos that people take willingly. Russian soldiers use VK, that doesn't stop OSINT researchers tracking them down on there.
Military personnel is not what this is about, it's about the data of all the citizens in the US. It's about manipulating public opinion, sowing divide or a thousand other options.
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Military personnel is not what this is about, it's about the data of all the citizens in the US. It's about manipulating public opinion, sowing divide or a thousand other options.
But shouldn't that concern go the other way? If the Chinese government is dictating content policies of TikTok, that should obviously be a concern, but I have not seen this alleged. Granted collecting say interest data based on viewing figures would be a precursor (I suppose it's likely that TikTok could figure out if a customer leaned left or right politically). But again that's not what the complaint is about. It's…
A forseeable future is one where Americans are using VPN to access Tik Tok and then we see some government officials clamoring for an American version of the GFW.
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The US government is a foreign government for 96% of the people, not to mention that its own citizens don't control it much.
The USA is a democracy. Arguing otherwise is the pot calling the kettle black.