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Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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How come Switzerland has only 2.5% year-over-year inflation, less than a third of the U.S. rate? Last I checked there seemed to be some correlation between a country's money printing and current inflation rates. That's not to say that a protion of the current inflation rate is not due to supply consitrictions, but I certainly not assume that is the only factor.

1) prices were already universally high in Switzerland 2) swiss government regulates the price of healthcare 3) Switzerland uses significantly less fossil fuels and aren't as effected by the war in Ukraine 4) Switzerland passed multiple laws over the past few years to reduce the cost of goods, including banning foreign companies from charging Swiss citizens more

You forgot 5) mic drop

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> The associated wage stabilization is going to be necessary for us to control inflation. It won't. Everyone involved in business dealing with physical goods knows it's a supply side problem. Fiscal policy will do little to control inflation at this time. The Fed of course knows this.

> Fiscal policy will do little to control inflation at this time The Fed has no control over fiscal policy. You mean monetary?

Buh, yea. Vacation brain...

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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Please stop with the motte and bailey. I interpreted what you wrote and what you wrote was itself disingenuous. You stated that a zero-dollar income in a laissez faire market is sufficient to render anyone earning that amount a slave. You made no exceptions. As to the claim that the "more enlightened" are those who would reject the laissez-faire system, you've presented no credible evidence to that either.

Obviously it was a whimsical way of saying “slavery is the natural minimum wage” in the absence of all regulations (which is a proxy for government/societal interventions). Some person/company will be willing to enslave people if they can get away with it. Clearly volunteering is not what people mean by “working for $0 per hour”. This is obvious to anyone who reads what I wrote without being disingenuous. Equally obv…

> Obviously it was a whimsical way of saying “slavery is the natural minimum wage” in the absence of all regulations (which is a proxy for government/societal interventions).

Then you should have said that to begin with. It shouldn't be incumbent on me to account for whimsy botching one's meaning.

> Some person/company will be willing to enslave people if they can get away with it.

Enslavement doesn't require a coherent political or economic philosophy. Hobbes has already proven that. Even governments have and continue to enslave people. I don't see how regulations solve that as governments have no higher power to answer to, except perhaps for atom bombs.

That some company may violate an individual's rights in a laissez-faire system does not itself prove that enslavement is an inevitable outcome of such a system. That is a false induction.

> Clearly volunteering is not what people mean by “working for $0 per hour”. This is obvious to anyone who reads what I wrote without being disingenuous.

What difference is there between volunteering and working for $0 an hour exactly? If one volunteers for an organization, that does not mean that one lacks a de facto or de jure employer. One may still need to sign a contract and still be required to perform tasks to a certain standard. Volunteer work is not required to be accepted indiscriminately.

> Equally obvious is that a laissez-faire system is neither possible, desirable, or scalable. I won’t convince you of this and you won’t convince me otherwise.

You and I benefit from one of the great successes of laissez-faire capitalism: the commercial Internet. It's obviously possible (in fact, it has already succeeded for the past 30 years), desirable, and nearly infinitely scalable.

> You are free to desire to live in a world where a wage of 0 is a reasonable thing for an employer to pay. Fortunately for me people like you have little chance of seeing this desire come to fruition. There is no point in responding further but I will read and contemplate whatever response you decide to make.

A wage of zero is a reasonable wage for the employer and employee to agree upon. What is not reasonable is forcing someone to accept a wage of zero under duress or threat of force.

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> If they could, US salaries would be comparable to Canada or EU which are embarrassingly low for the amount of work they require. I think that misses a cultural difference, which is that Canada and EU jobs don't require as much work because our work ethic is different. I can earn 100k in London and be very comfortable doing less than 40 hours a week, never working weekends, never doing crunch time, never being force…

Canadian here. I have my doubts on that; I had some devs that's consistently pulled 280 hours a month and once hit I think 320 hours. His salary was $59,000 CAD a year, and I believe the junior devs working with him were earning $11/hr circa 2010 ish and were working fairly close to those hours. The longest work day I've had is 40 or 50 hours without sleep to meet a deadline that and then had to be in bright and earl…

40 hours in a day? Teach me your secrets.

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We’re also living in a volatile time. It might end up meaning a potential civil war is a lot more likely. Desperation creates extremism. I don’t think the US is prepared for the monster it may unleash.

Civil war? That’s ridiculous. Please turn off Fox/CNN.

You’ve not been paying attention to the world if you think we’re not in that unhealthy society territory.

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How many pro immigration leftists live their life as if its no more valuable than anyone else's? .001% maybe.If you wanted to help the global poor sending them American dollars would go a lot further in their own country

Being pro immigration doesn't mean you think all the global poor should move 'here' immediately (wherever 'here' is). leftists are more that people who have moved here should be treated as human, not subhuman. It's normal to think your life is more important than other people's. It's weird to live in Texas and think people born 50 miles away in Mexico are inferior but people born 1,000 miles away in New York are the…

I dont know who you think you are responding to. The person i was responding too does think anyone and everyone should have carte blanche to immigrate to america. Also please post the part of my comment where i said hispanics should be treated as less than. Third wold Immigrants in america get treated much better than their own country. As they should! Thats why they come here!

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> Amazon founder and former CEO Jeff Bezos saw his warehouse workforce as necessary but replaceable, and feared that workers who remained at the company too long would turn complacent or, worse, disgruntled, according to reporting by the New York Times. Wow. Think about what this is really saying: Amazon adopts the explicit policy of not wanting their workers to stay on long enough to figure out that they are getting…

> Now I understand why I've been seeing so many commercials lately about how great it is to work for Amazon. Is there a law like betteridge's law of headlines for commercials? I.e. Anything a commercial tries to assert is probably untrue.

You'd think it was obvious, but then it seems most people actually believe commercials, and buy more of the products they see advertised.

Let's call it cwkoss' law of commericals.

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> In the historical Deep South of the US, slaves had to work the plantation all day without pay, then go home and grow their own food on the worst strips of land not deemed worth cultivating by their owners. This is fairly thoughtless modern propaganda, not a description of the historical Deep South. Some quotes from Time on the Cross: The Economics of American Negro Slavery : > "Marriage is to be encouraged," wrote…

I'm sure it varied considerably. I'm certainly no subject matter expert. I know there was a historical uprising someplace where slaves objected to plans to set them free. I'm unfamiliar with the details. There is also the fact in some of the Caribbean islands, slavery was so harsh that average life expectancy was 3 years at one point, IIRC. They outlawed the importation of slaves well before they outlawed slavery and…

> I'm sure it varied considerably. I'm certainly no subject matter expert.

It did, and I readily admit that I’m not either.

As I understand it, with a few exceptions, the further south an enslaved person lived the worse off they generally were. Further south meant a more agriculture-based economy, with higher labor demands and less “civilization”. More isolation means more opportunity for enslavers to literally work their slaves to death.

I think not recognizing this does a disservice to the people that actually lived through that era.

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Both US and EU printed huge amounts of money during the last few years, and the swiss, it seems, didn't.

probably because they already have a pretty robust social system in place, so it can weather issues like covid and employment issues better

Social systems only work, when you have a vast majority of people who produce (and pay taxes on that) and a small minority of people who don't (because they either can't work or the abuse the system).

I'm not sure how the swiss handled the lockdowns, if it was more "open" (like the swedes did) or if they shut everything down, but here (in slovenia), we shut a bunch of businesses down (most of the service industry, most of the shops, etc.) and the government basically paid freshly printed EU money to all those people to stay at home on a "paid vacation" (80% of the paycheck they'd otherwise get), which was great for them (and made them not-protest), but on the other hand, a great middle finger to the rest of the people, and the consequences of all that printed money, that we see now.

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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You could argue the reason is that they weren’t good enough.

Needing to see a doctor suddenly means you're a poor worker?

Did I say that? No.

That’s quite the conclusion to jump to. I was mere pointing out that maybe some of the churn is justifiable? Most companies have churn, but everyone wants to point fingers at Amazon for what are otherwise normal and accepted business practices.

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