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YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by headsoup »

sacrosancty wrote: post #632
heavyset_go wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much of it was organized on social media, and many those who participated it used the platforms to live stream and tell more people to come and participate, too.

Isn't that the opposite of catastrophic risk, and instead an opportunity for more active users?

And is it those platforms' responsibility to enforce thought-crime intervention anyway?

It's easy after the fact to lay blame, but interfering in discussion, even heated and wild, is an easy slope into censorship and tyranny.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

Just to break up the angry posts self-radicalizing themselves:

This is a good thing.

Basically every media outlet mentioned here has a long history of publishing really big lies about important stuff they know to be false for monetary gain.

The Hill had to quietly oust one of their own top propagandists recently because of how badly his obvious lies about Ukraine helping to steal the US election from Trump went down with people familiar with objective reality.

Here's their own internal review:

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/483600-the-hills-review-of...

We're seeing on a big scale where this leads right now, and it is no coincidence that all these people seem big fans of Putin and dislike democracy.

And we've got all these people on HN carefully avoiding mentioning that they believe, or worse? support, these lies, and taking the pure and noble stance that we should never censor lies. Which would be a bad stance even if that itself wasn't just another obvious lie for political gain.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by w14 »

The UK is leading the charge for legislation [0] to force platforms to impose certain types of censorship. Youtube and the others are just getting ahead of curve. They have known what's coming since they were invited into No. 10 to discuss these issues with Theresa May and Amber Rudd in 2017.

The legislation is based on the principle that everyone has the right to say what they want to say, but they have no right to be heard by others. This phraseology was used by several during the recent committee hearings, including by Facebook employees for example. So it will effectively enshrine in law: shadow banning, delisting from Google search etc.

Also enshrined in the legislation is the principle of banning content which is 'legal but harmful to adults'. 'Harmful', amongst many other terms, is not defined.

Also enshrined in law will be the principle that certain types of 'journalistic' content will be protected from this censorship if it meets criteria to be decided upon by the new regulator, Ofcom.

This will be an enabling act. It is full, from front to back, of opportunity for scope creep through secondary legislation.

As I said, the UK is leading the charge with this, but the EU has been keeping pace [1]. I haven't seen similar in the US as of yet.

[0] - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/draft-online-safe... [1] - https://ec.europa.eu/info/digital-services-act-ensuring-safe...

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by onetokeoverthe »

px43 wrote: post #646
mathogre wrote: post #584

Fuck YouTube. If they're going to control what news I get, I'll choose other than YouTube. I do not need them. I have read from both hard left and hard right, and am intelligent enough to make my own decisions about what makes sense. Let them play their games, whether silly or dangerous. I form my own opinions. Losers!

This isn't about you, it's about the 30-40% of YouTube users who don't have that skill, and become radicalized and violent when stupid bullshit like this starts gaining traction. YouTube isn't a news network. It's a video platform catering to a global audience, many of whom are really really bad critical thinking. Same with Facebook. We all know what happens when content isn't curated, and it's really, really bad. I'…

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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by selfhoster11 »

bduerst wrote: post #591
InvertedRhodium wrote: post #583

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can’t claim that a business is “the public square” and then force them. Why not? We place some pretty serious obligations on a few industries - one example is electricity providers of last resort.

>Why not? Electricity is deemed a common utility and a regulated, granted natural monopoly - one considered a necessary requirement for all citizens and organizations. Video streaming is not a monopoly, and no number of bad faith arguments about popularity or awareness in consumer headspace change the fact that there are a number easily accessible competitors.

Pray tell, what are those YouTube competitors with non-negligible market share? I'd love to move there and find all my favourite channels (or at least some chunk of them) posting their videos there.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by selfhoster11 »

anonymouswacker wrote: post #450
cryptonector wrote: post #158

If it's nonsense, then why censor it? If it's not nonsense, then why censor it?

YouTube is just a wolf in sheep's clothing; another media outlet disguised as a sharing platform. “The media’s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that’s power. Because they control the minds of the masses. The press is so powerful in its image-making role, it can make the criminal look like he’s a the victim and make the victim look…

It's a media outlet for those that treat it as such. If I come there for news, it's from channels I know and trust. Other than that, it's mostly for non-political entertainment.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by selfhoster11 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #358
prepend wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should broadcasters be forced to host debates? Broadcasters are forced to do all kinds of stuff. In Canada they have to carry a certain percentage of Canadian content.

Isn't that based on their use of public spectrum, though? To what extent does that apply to the Internet, which effectively has unlimited spectrum?

The internet has infinite spectrum, but finite mind share.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by stingraycharles »

lenkite wrote: post #672
px43 wrote: post #646

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't about you, it's about the 30-40% of YouTube users who don't have that skill, and become radicalized and violent when stupid bullshit like this starts gaining traction. YouTube isn't a news network. It's a video platform catering to a global audience, many of whom are really really bad critical thinking. Same with Facebook. We all know what happens when content isn't curated, and it's really, really bad. I'…

Basically the only news that should be allowed is news that satisfies the mainstream political narrative so that folks are kept fully sanitized. This is far more important than silly things like freedom of speech. Any critical questioning of the "facts" is "misinformation". Who cares later if the "misinformation" later is found to be true ? The most important thing is to obey and follow the will of the collective - s…

We’re talking about Trump denying the election results, which ended with a lot of violence in the Capitol.

This is absolutely misinformation that did lead to radicalization.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by selfhoster11 »

scarface74 wrote: post #608
ekianjo wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not a monopoly on paper, but a monopoly in terms of reach. When 99% of videos seen on the web are from youtube, can you pretend it's not akin to some kind of monopoly?

if you want to host your own video - pay for it.

Yeah, let's shut out all people who cannot afford that, or who don't have access to the global banking system.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by thinkingemote »

They are not platforms, they are publishers with editorial control.

Thus they censor because they cannot claim to be impartial anymore.

But there used to be platforms on the internet.

But they got threatened by the left and the right for different reasons. Censor or be broken up.

We will see more ex-platforms this year but for different reasons.

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