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Post by busymom0 »

jsjsbdkj wrote: post #269
busymom0 wrote: post #55

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I and my friends have been there for 3 weekends and haven't seen any of that. > Homeless shelters were raided by protestors, businesses have been forced to close due to threats, and people are afraid to leave their homes. This is hilariously inaccurate. Everyone's bringing food TO the truckers and there's so much food there that truckers are refusing to take more. Amazingly, we live in 2022 where everyone has a phone…

The protestors on the first weekend going to the Shepherds of Good Hope homeless shelter and taking food (and being violent with staff) was extremely well documented. https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-homeless-shelter-receives-7... You mean surveillance footage like this, of a protestor trying to lock the doors to an apartmnent building and start a fire? https://globalnews.ca/news/8600592/trucker-convoy-police-inv...…

> You mean surveillance footage like this, of a protestor trying to lock the doors to an apartmnent building and start a fire?

You do know that they were NOT the protestors right? And even the Ottawa Deputy Police Chief has debunked it. The supposed "arsonist" was someone who was wearing face masks, had purple hair was was in his early 20s as max. You really think that's a trucker protester?

> Ottawa Deputy Police Chief on the alleged arson in Ottawa: “We don’t have any direct linkage between the occupation—the demonstrators—and that act.”

https://twitter.com/jonkay/status/1491152362253451265

Like I said, somehow the "homeless shelter" has zero videos of anything happening. We are living in 2022, not 1950s. Everyone has a video camera phone now a days and somehow not a single person captured such thing?

Your instagram link has not a single video of violence. You really are stretching your narrative.

Honking injunction was ONLY for continuous honking. Despite that, when I was there on Saturday after 9pm, there was no honking. Even if there were, you really think honking is violence?

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Post by thunkshift1 »

abledon wrote: post #474
tw600040 wrote: post #436

When protests were happening in India this is what Trudeau had to say: "Let me remind you, Canada will always be there to defend the rights of peaceful protesters. We believe in the process of dialogue. We’ve reached out through multiple means to the Indian authorities to highlight our concerns. This is a moment for all of us to pull together,"Justin Trudeau said. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/situation-is-…

was it only the 10% fringe farmers protesting? or the 90% majority of farmers?

It was farmers from mostly two states only.. nowhere close to 90%, thats ridiculous

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Post by pkaye »

mattnewton wrote: post #131
edmcnulty101 wrote: post #112

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Locking bank accounts at all WITHOUT A TRIAL, seems dystopian. That's a lot of power for the state to have to be able to reach into some ones bank accounts with no due process. Edit: changed AT ALL to without a trial because on second thought resized it's possible that there are some legit uses for freezing bank accounts.

I agree. I have no idea how Canada's legal system works but I would not trust the american executive branch with this power without the authorization of a judge. Even then it feels too easily abused, but you can already do a lot worse with a judge's sign off and there are certainly cases where the power makes sense. Is this something that has precedent in Canada?

We already have civil forfeiture in the US. The police can just claim the money is linked to criminal activity and seize it.

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Post by busymom0 »

Jackim wrote: post #65
busymom0 wrote: post #41

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> enact violence against the citizens of Ottawa That hasn't happened. Grossly exaggerated statements are not what I and my friends who have been at the Ottawa protest for 3 weeks have seen. We aren't living in 1950s. Everyone has a phone camera now a days and Ottawa, the capital, has security cameras everywhere and yet none of this ever gets captured on camera and nobody seems to capture the face of the people suppos…

Personal anecdotal evidence does not disprove that very real violence has occurred and continues to occur in my city.

Like I said, we live in 2022. Everyone has a phone with video camera. How come such "violence" never gets captured on camera despite thousands of people there and several live streams?

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Post by swader999 »

listless wrote: post #675
Jackim wrote: post #54

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That is an exaggerated headline. Accounts being used to fund illegal activities can be frozen. Protesting is not and will not be illegal. Blocking critical infrastructure is illegal.

I agree with this and I generally support their cause. But you don’t have the right to shut down commerce and affect citizens ability to move across a border. IMO they have let this go on far too long.

Yet this is exactly what was being done to these truckers prior to their actions.

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Post by capybara_2020 »

Jackim wrote: post #54
makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

That is an exaggerated headline. Accounts being used to fund illegal activities can be frozen. Protesting is not and will not be illegal. Blocking critical infrastructure is illegal.

I am not a north American so I just catch glimpses of what is happening in articles that pop up like this. So I am not taking sides here. Just making an observation about protests in general.

With that being said, how do you get noticed? I remember there was a Wall Street protest of some kind right after the crash. They sat quietly in parks and protested because people got annoyed when they were "inconvenienced" when they protested outside buildings. Their protests fizzled out and was forgotten. Even though large swathes of people were pissed off with Wall Street.

Back in college, we had a protest. Few people from the media were there and we were protesting on campus, doing it "right". The media people were like "go do something...we cannot cover a bunch of college kids sitting around!"

Unfortunately protests(the ones you agree with and the ones your disagree with) run by smaller groups are going to get noticed only when they do "illegal" things.

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Post by JamisonM »

pdog wrote: post #597
JamisonM wrote: post #548

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Their stated demands are the dissolution of the current democratically elected government, they've conducted educational seminars about the dangers of vaccination full of outlandishly false information. Anyone can believe anything they like but none are required to be so credulous as to believe that the protests are simply about vaccine mandates given the large quantity of published evidence that the organizers and p…

Their most prominently stated demand is ending all state-backed mandates and lockdowns. Where did you see anything about the dissolution of their elected government? Or, are you referring to the parliamentary system?

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/what-the-truckers-want-and-...

From the article:

A Memorandum of Understanding posted to the group’s website sets out a framework to effectively dissolve the federal government in favour of a “Citizens of Canada Committee” composed of the Senate, the Governor General and whoever else Canada Unity selects.

This committee of entirely unelected figures would then “instruct all levels of the Federal, Provincial, Territorial, and Municipal governments to immediately cease and desist all unconstitutional human rights, discriminatory and segregated actions.”

If enacted, the MOU would represent an unprecedented dissolution of the federal system and put an abrupt end to 155 years of continuous parliamentary rule (a record that happens to rank us as one of the world’s oldest democracies).

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Post by Tiktaalik »

rasz wrote: post #414
mmastrac wrote: post #199

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Yes, and the emergencies act was required because the police in Ottawa were _letting the protesters violate the law with impunity_. There are multiple _legal_, _judicial_ injunctions in place and the police are failing to enforce them. The rule of law is breaking down and that cannot be allowed to happen.

You mean convoy has so little support even Police officers exercised civil disobedience?

The police are happy to beat up environmentalists and the homeless, but they don't want to beat up their drinking buddies.

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Post by bregma »

newsclues wrote: post #600
jsjsbdkj wrote: post #192

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There's no "loss of mandate". The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Canadians re-elected Trudeau during the pandemic. The issue is that Ottawa Police were afraid of media backlash if they did any crowd control for the initial "protest" weekend. This allowed the occupiers to move in heavy machinery as barricades. When the weekend ended an…

I have yet to see any data that supports the assertion that Canadians are still happy with masks and other restrictions. The few polls in the news tend to be small sample sizes, and tend to be from biased pools of respondents. Basically it’s not good data it’s just politically manipulated numbers to support their policy.

None of us are happy with masks and restrictions. We all want them to end. That doesn't mean we're in a hurry to cull the weak, the elderly, and the infirm rapidly by exposing them to this virus a quickly and easily, which is what would still happen at this point in the pandemic.

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Post by benatkin »

colechristensen wrote: post #190
ajross wrote: post #140

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> The adjective critical though has been used very broadly Access to most of Ottawa was been cut off, including one of the biggest border crossings in Canada, not a "pizza place". Deploying hyperbole like this isn't helping your case. Surely if the Ambassador Bridge doesn't qualify as critical infrastructure, nothing does.

I'm not saying what is currently being obstructed is wrong (or not) to include in a restriction on protest. I am saying that during the pandemic for the purposes of restrictions and exceptions, people who worked at grocery stores were "critical workers". It's a big old caution for using words like "critical" which are very vague in order to implement policy assuming it will be used for things you deem to be important…

Where does it say "critical"? It seems to me like you replaced the word "essential" with "critical".
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