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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by throw10920 »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #138
bubblethink wrote: post #88

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This is a completely backwards way of looking at it. If you don't have the budget, create a static website and throw it behind github pages or s3 or whatever. An entire university with a school of computer science cannot figure out some standard way of doing this ?

This is an independent website, not part of the official University budget. You can’t just round up some CS students and have them produce a website compliant with international law for free. This involves legal teams, contracted developers, and constrained budgets that are already stretched thin on operating in their core business. It’s not reasonable to demand they invest tens of thousands of dollars (or demand equ…

> You can’t just round up some CS students and have them produce a website compliant with international law for free.

But the issue isn't "international law" in the general case (which, indeed, would be very hard), it's the specific case of the GDPR, the solution to which (for this particular site, which only serves static content) is mind-numbingly trivial: don't collect personal data, don't set cookies. That's it. That's all you have to do.

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Post by nobodyandproud »

vanusa wrote: post #608
ivalm wrote: post #596

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Maybe, but again a university is not bound by due process requirements. I do agree that it might be good practice to not violate them. Let’s see if Purdue does eventually act.

We are all ethically bound to abide by the principles of due process in our dealings with others, whether proscribed by law or not.

Aside from being arbitrary: Is due process a single, one-size fits all?

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Post by wolverine876 »

dehrmann wrote: post #656

Interesting side note: before becoming president of Purdue, Daniels was governor of Indiana. His successor in that job was Mike Pence. Daniels was also a rising star in the GOP, so he's a competent politician who got closer than most to actually dealing with international relations. He's also run Purdue differently than most administrators. He famously froze tuition, and he's using the name for an online school Purdu…

> before becoming president of Purdue, Daniels was governor of Indiana. His successor in that job was Mike Pence. Daniels was also a rising star in the GOP, so he's a competent politician who got closer than most to actually dealing with international relations.

How is the governor of Indiana closer to dealing with international relations? I suspect the president of Purdue does it more, given the international nature of academia. How does Mike Pence affect Daniels' experience?

> he's using the name for an online school Purdue bought

Is that good?

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Post by Msw242 »

dang wrote: post #650
Msw242 wrote: post #19

Please report any suspected collaborators with the Chinese secret police to the DEI campus safety board. All suspects will need to report to the DEI offices for re-education. Joking, but they literally do the exact same shit to Republicans.

Please don't take HN threads on partisan flamewar tangents. That's an extremely low quality direction even for flamewars to take. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We are all rightfully outraged that a foreign regime is able to impact free expression on college campuses in the US.

It strikes me as relevant that we are building a lot of the same infrastructure of our own accord, with strikingly similar justifications.

At this same university, anybody can anonymously complain about professors or other students based on what they say in a classroom or lecture hall, and that complaint will be investigated.

Does that have an impact on free expression?

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Post by wolverine876 »

Jensson wrote: post #13

This is great, but I wonder how long these things will last? Big companies with a strong dependency on China tend take China's side, and since big companies controls the narrative I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a social faux pas to criticize CCP in the future. China doesn't have enough power and influence for that to happen today, but what if/when their GDP per capita reaches the same level as US? At that poin…

> I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a social faux pas to criticize CCP in the future

It has been for years. You can find many stories of it, including companies firing employees who are critical of the CCP and CEOs apologizing. Look up stories of Disney, most of Hollywood, the NBA (a firestorm, though I don't know about apologies), etc.

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Post by eproxus »

gorgoiler wrote: post #76

> 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons A touch over dramatic, verging on smug given that it’s a nerd in-joke. (If you didn’t know, this HTTP status code is a tongue in cheek reference to the dystopian sci-fi novel Fahrenheit 451 where information is outlawed.) I could elaborate but unfortunately due to our safety and security policies I am unable to comment further. Your wellbeing is my number one priority.

It’s also quite ironic because they seem to claim that because their page is full of tracking cookies (what other reason to cite GDPR?).

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Post by wolverine876 »

gtirloni wrote: post #201

I worked with people from China at a previous job. They came to visit us (South America) and while having dinner I lightly suggested things in China are difficult when it comes to freedom, right? Their facial expression changed immediately. They said it was better not to talk about that. They were who knows how many kilometers from home, not a single Chinese national around to report them, and they still feared talki…

I don't know about those people in particular, but the way totalitarian states have worked in the past is to have them report secretly on each other. This keeps everyone in a constant state of fear and oppression.

Read Koba the Dread by Martin Amis for a powerful, extremely well-written account of it.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

Qub3d wrote: post #678
gtirloni wrote: post #201

I worked with people from China at a previous job. They came to visit us (South America) and while having dinner I lightly suggested things in China are difficult when it comes to freedom, right? Their facial expression changed immediately. They said it was better not to talk about that. They were who knows how many kilometers from home, not a single Chinese national around to report them, and they still feared talki…

My family hosted a Taiwanese exchange student when I was in high school. One day, he and I were out seeing the town. He discovered a Chinese Tea house in an out-of-the-way corner, and we stopped in. The owner, a Chinese expat, greeted us enthusiastically and personally sat down to serve us tea. The conversation was lovely; she was explaining the source of the tea, the preparation and serving method, etc. and I was ju…

This story sounds doubtful to me. It's perfectly OK for a Chinese to say that they are from Taiwan, and Chinese, be it from the mainland or Taiwan, always say that: They're from Taiwan, Beijing, Guangdong, you name it. It's like saying which state you're from in the US.

No-one ever says "Chinese Taipei", certainly not among Chinese, which is just some political compromise, mostly in the Olympic Committee.

The only issue I can think of is if the question was specifically about the country of origin, in which case some people may indeed object to "Taiwan" and argue that it should be "China" instead (but not "Chinese Taipei"...)

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Post by toss1 »

oceanghost wrote: post #680
toss1 wrote: post #579

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>>The last thing we need is an equally impactful response in the opposite direction. We need a MORE impactful response form this side, but it does not have to be instant. And you are correct that it has to be carefully investigated, soundly based, and measured for maximum effect. Ultimately, if you are a "student" here and are participating in state power projection, spying, or abuse of anyone merely participating in…

> Would China tolerate US "students" on their land spying, attempting to project US power, or abusing others on their land? China is the worlds weird abusive ex-boyfriend.

yup, abusive, and stalking. Including on HN - every single HN post that opposed CCP actions gets resistance from the handful of guaranteed downvotes to verbose advocacy. Russia has been the undisputed world champion of dezinformatsyia for over a century, but it looks like CCP is coming for their title , especially with their push into the US academic-military realm (and they are shameless about copying US tech, surprising for a culture that values face-saving).
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