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MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
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#692as beautiful as the hardware is, I just cannot stomach buying another machine I can not comfortably replace the battery in. Either Apple returns to its earliest roots of making machines that are easy to repair, or find me and many others buying machines from the likes of Frame.work instead.
Is it difficult to replace the battery in these new models? I changed the battery in my 2016-ish macbook air in about 5 minutes, and it looks like my 2018 macbook pro is the same design.
iFixIt doesn't really agree with you about the MacBook Pro with the glued-in battery. The MacBook air however was ironically easier to fix:
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Touch+Bar+2...
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Air+13-Inch+Early+2017+...
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#693Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.
it seems the "one last thing" this time, is, well, a notch, at the top of the screen, on a proprietary system that makes heavy use of the top of the screen as part of the ui. the whole value proposition of the apple ecosystem is that it is all beautifully designed, integrated and pleasing such that it inspires you to go forth and design beautiful things. but now they've gone and stuck a webcam in the middle of the me…
actually, just watched their video. it doesn't look too terrible.
i suppose the only way to know if it's annoying is to try it.
Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
#694MBPs are irrelevant in the age of Surface Book and Framework
Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
#695These look positively insane . 120Hz HDR displays. Can be specced with up to 64 GB of RAM and a GPU that (apparently) matches a 3070. All the ports you could ever want and magsafe. I can't wait to get my hands on one. The notch doesn't bother me because it's literally more room on the screen. Laptops with the camera below the screen tend to have an uncomfortable angle that look sup your nose, and the design suggests…
Personally, the investments in the camera and display are wasted for me. I run my mbps in “clam shell mode” and use external displays and cameras.
The 64G of ram is huge though. It only took them half a decade to figure it out.
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#696Everything they’ve said about the new MacBook Pros is extremely promising, but they had to add a notch to the screen. Just why? All for the sake of reducing the top screen border by a couple of millimeters.
Update:
>macOS Hides the Notch on New MacBook Pro in Full-Screen Mode
https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/18/macos-hides-notch-on-ne...
I take back what I said about the notch. It is not as bad, as it initially seemed to be
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#697These look positively insane . 120Hz HDR displays. Can be specced with up to 64 GB of RAM and a GPU that (apparently) matches a 3070. All the ports you could ever want and magsafe. I can't wait to get my hands on one. The notch doesn't bother me because it's literally more room on the screen. Laptops with the camera below the screen tend to have an uncomfortable angle that look sup your nose, and the design suggests…
> All the ports you could ever want
I agree with everything else you said and I think overall these machines will be awesome.
I would disagree with you on the ports though, I think this is kind of a miss for Apple. They caved into some of the loudest complaints from several years ago which were already coming from a loud minority and that minority is now smaller than ever.
And if they were set on changing the ports these certainly aren't all that you could ever want. A few USB-A ports as well as keeping at least the 4 USB-C ports from last year (instead of reducing to 3) would have been more useful for more people than the HDMI and especially the SD ports are.
(HDMI used to be useful for plugging into a projector for presentations, that use-case is now nearly non-existent now that all meetings tend to happen over zoom, webex, teams, hangouts, etc. even when in-person. HDMI used to be useful for monitors but increasingly displayport over usb-c is supported by everything except the lowest end monitors. SD used to be important for stills and video footage, but increasingly cameras use CFExpress, CFast, output over hdmi to an atmos-style recorder, or even micro-SD for small GoPro style cameras, all of which will still need dongles. Devices like Raspberry Pis require micro SD not standard SD).
They also could have added the nifty ethernet-over-magsafe via the powerbrick that the iMac has and they didn't do that.
Edit: One additional thought - I'm seeing from the comments some reasonable situations where HDMI still comes in handy - cheap monitors, plugging into a tv to watch something, and I guess there are still lots of people physically plugging in at work for presentations. Fair enough, but in that case it's weird that this is a "Pro" feature. These are all very non-pro usecases and you'll still need dongles around for anybody with a non-pro machine (like a macbook air).
Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
#698These look positively insane . 120Hz HDR displays. Can be specced with up to 64 GB of RAM and a GPU that (apparently) matches a 3070. All the ports you could ever want and magsafe. I can't wait to get my hands on one. The notch doesn't bother me because it's literally more room on the screen. Laptops with the camera below the screen tend to have an uncomfortable angle that look sup your nose, and the design suggests…
Personally, the investments in the camera and display are wasted for me. I run my mbps in “clam shell mode” and use external displays and cameras. The 64G of ram is huge though. It only took them half a decade to figure it out.
64GB RAM was available on the 2019 Intel 16" MBPs (at least). This comment was written from one of those with 64GB RAM.
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#699HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…
> So basically even the new 16" is still thinner than the MacBook 2015 era
Oh wow. Apple's photos make it look so fat. I'm still using a 2013 15" MBP and am very happy with how thin it is.
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#700I don't plan to go back to MagSafe. I have multiport USB-C chargers all round my house and don't really want to buy lots of cables or proprietary chargers to add to the mix. I'm sticking with USB-C even if it's slower. SD cards I don't use. And HDMI I rarely use so dongles are fine, but it's nice to have I guess!
Agree on the chargers. SD card is great if you do anything wit Raspberry Pi's and photos.
Or buy an adapter like this https://www.amazon.ca/BASEQI-aluminum-microSD-Adapter-MacBoo... and have yourself some extra storage expansion. Might be slow, but good for things you access rarely.