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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by TedShiller »

There is a simple way to explain why going to Spotify was not good for Joe Rogan: It doesn't solve a problem.

If Joe wanted to make more money and build influence, he would be much better off doing that by staying on YouTube; he'd have infinitely more options. Now, all he can do is Spotify. "Exclusive", in this case, is not a good thing.

The other dilemma is that the short clips still shared on YouTube (to entice you to come over to Spotify) are by definition already the best parts of the interviews. They wouldn't use the worst bits for that.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by manigandham »

suzzer99 wrote: post #585
manigandham wrote: post #531

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That's up to you whether you can be friends with people who change your mind. I don't see why that's so hard but Rogan's changed opinion should be seen as a success story about learning.

Rogan changes his mind every time he talks to a guess with a different opinion. The opinion of someone who thinks the moon landing could be fake, or bigfoot could be real, should not be taken seriously by 11 million people when it comes to anything scientific. But sadly it is.

Rogan doesn't think either of those things, and really never the latter. It seems like you're basing all this on some outdated 2nd-hand source rather than actually listening to his podcast. And yes he's also fluid on views but stable on his values, like most people. That's how you can have hours of conversation instead of devolving into a heated debate, and maybe even share some knowledge by the end.

The more you claim to be the one to take seriously, the less serious anyone will want to take you. Especially if you do it in a negative fashion blocking others rather than putting out your own message. There's far more to influence, trust, and authenticity than claiming you're right or deducing everything to some rational puzzle, and perhaps that's the biggest lesson of all.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by makeitdouble »

chimen wrote: post #345

He left a void which is now being filled by Lex Friedman and others. Rogan doesn't even bother placing something about the podcast in title - he just names the guest which doesn't say anything to me so I dropped his show long time ago. Even went that far and send him an email regarding how frustrating it is to just listen to show after show until you find a subject that you like. What he lost with YouTube is their al…

Didn't follow Rogan but have experienced a similar thing with other podcasts. I like a majority of the episodes, but I wouldn't go listening week after week powering through meh bits in hope to find the interesting nuggets.

Having an algorithm filtering the feed is a god send, hopefully both for me and for the author, who in theory gets more leeway to try different kind of stuff and see what sticks.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by fruityrudy »

I like listening to Joe. And I always wonder what everyone complains about.

But then I heard an anti-vax rant he did that was completely ill-informed. Made me a bit sad. https://youtu.be/tiwsv51Il4k I think he gets a bit too high sometimes.

But I still like listening to him.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by chillwaves »

zepto wrote: post #13
Bellamy wrote: post #7

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Would you fell into a trap like this for 100.000.000$?

Apparently he made $30M in the year before the deal. If the deal lasts for more than 2 years, then he has made a serious error.

When is it enough money? $130M in two years, and he made an error to take it?

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by encryptluks2 »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #272
knorker wrote: post #171

No wonder. Spotify is the most broken piece of shit on the app stores by far. Hey, let me download these so i can listen on the plane. Oh, the app just hangs on startup when you're in airplane mode. Well that's pointless. And on and on. It's a wonder anyone even can listen if they wanted to. Sorry, this comment is probably not HN material, but every time I use Spotify it makes me angry from how it just doesn't work.

Spotify has invested heavily in podcasts, not just Joe Rogan but a whole range of them at high costs. It baffles me that they would spend so much money on content and not invest in app development and design. Some businesses seem to have a major hate boner against paying for an appropriate number of high quality developers and designers. It's very penny proud and pound foolish.

It makes sense when you realize they probably hired a bunch of marketing people to drive their business instead of focusing on technology.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by ineptech »

snet0 wrote: post #681
ineptech wrote: post #673

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"We must remove that stuff because those ideas are dangerous/offensive, and if you disagree with removing it then you must agree with that filth!" is extremely helpful to the sorts of people who do edgy stuff to attract attention and then try to memoryhole it once they get a big audience. I think the truth is the opposite: there are no dangerous ideas. "Sandy Hook was fake!" is stupid and wrong, but the way to defeat…

I think this is naïve. Taking Sandy Hook as the example, do you think Alex Jones' discussion on Rogan increased or decreased its spread? It's very easy to pick up new conspiracies for a conspiracy-minded person. It's very hard to drop them.

And keeping Jones off of Rogan would've accomplished what? Someone who thinks the gummint is out to git 'em would believe a different 'gummint is out to gitcha' conspiracy theory instead?

I don't think you can win that battle. The 'Proctor & Gamble are satan worshipers' meme spread across the country before the internet existed. You can't stop people from spreading nonsense, but engaging with and ridiculing nonsense at least makes sure the counter-memes exist, when someone is ready to hear them.

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Post by thegrimmest »

krastanov wrote: post #557
thegrimmest wrote: post #524

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It's the calories that count for obesity, not the "healthiness". It's perfectly possible to maintain a healthy body weight eating chips and drinking soda. Time isn't a factor here, personal responsibility is.

Yes, I am on the same page that all you need is a bit of discipline (and some baseline amount of crucial nutrients not present in cheap calory sources). But we all have about the same "discipline reserve", and some have harder life circumstances that expend that reserve on more urgent things than lunch. And this snowballs after it happens once. But to be fair, I do not really know what is the percentage of "well-off…

You don't need to be money-poor to be time-poor and stressed. Just as with other vices, it's a matter of priorities - do you prioritize your near-term comfort or your long-term wellbeing? People can make either choice, but I expect them to take responsibility for the outcome.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by clipradiowallet »

banana_maker wrote: post #383
clipradiowallet wrote: post #244

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> Everyone who is eligible and medically able needs to get vaccinated. I'm getting super tired of all this garbage; the US has had the vaccine supply and capability to be out of the pandemic by now That's a rather polarized position... what facts or experienced led you to this conclusion you stated? Specifically "the unvaccinated are screwing over the rest of us who are doing the right thing" .

"Specifically "the unvaccinated are screwing over the rest of us who are doing the right thing"." They're disproportionately taking up resources in hospitals for example, which do not have unlimited resources. We could be having a much better response right now [here in the U.S.] with less load on hospitals, but we're not, because of selfish and/or gullible people. They're also making the pandemic & related economic…

Interesting. I'm not pro/anti vax or anything else, but I imagined unhealthy people were taking up hospital beds disproportionally. I was interested in why you felt the way you do; thanks for sharing your opinion.
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