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TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Yeah, no. TikTok's algorithm has introduced me to my (now) favorite neurodivergent and LGBTQ+ content makers. Some of them have hundreds of thousands of followers, some a few hundred. I've learned more about these subjects (and myself!) than from most other sources. The value of TikTok for me was that it linked up a bunch of neurodivergent/lgbtq+ people into a vibrant, supportive community. Honestly, if they decide t…

TikTok has a lot going for it as a platform, but you should always understand a company's motivations when using their product. TikTok wants you to spend more time with your digital friends, because they make money from peppering ads in your experience with them. So sure, much like Facebook, Twitter or any other platform with the same business model, they will tacitly encourage users to spend as much time as possible…

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Yeah, no. TikTok's algorithm has introduced me to my (now) favorite neurodivergent and LGBTQ+ content makers. Some of them have hundreds of thousands of followers, some a few hundred. I've learned more about these subjects (and myself!) than from most other sources. The value of TikTok for me was that it linked up a bunch of neurodivergent/lgbtq+ people into a vibrant, supportive community. Honestly, if they decide t…

TikTok has a lot going for it as a platform, but you should always understand a company's motivations when using their product. TikTok wants you to spend more time with your digital friends, because they make money from peppering ads in your experience with them. So sure, much like Facebook, Twitter or any other platform with the same business model, they will tacitly encourage users to spend as much time as possible…

Too many to unpack here, but I'll start with this.

Repeat after me: digital friends are friends.

Personally, TikTok takes a very small fraction of my life (I go there when I don't feel I can do anything else), and I have many "real world" friends to interact with offline.

And I met some of them through social networks.

Question to consider for you: during the pandemic, when one probably couldn't see most of their friends and had to interact with them remotely, did they cease being friends?

Also, just an FYI, your comment comes off as patronizing, missing my point, and making a lot of assumptions about me.

And remember, there are healthier, less destructive ways to surround yourself with the content you love than writing such comments on HackerNew, trust me.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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I'm trying to make a simple statement: the claim that TikTok is the same as other platforms is idiotic (if it were so, it wouldn't reach the #1 spot in spite of not being around a few years ago). Logic dictates that TikTok must be doing something differently, and doing it right . I am trying to explain what that something is. I am upset because as long as people here don't get what makes TikTok unique and successful,…

> Exhibit 1: Instagram, which is now imitating TikTok, poorly, with it's video feed. Literally all content I see there is TikTok reposts. Anecdata? > YouTube's... whatever. Dead in the water. Lol what? YT is still growing and has 2.3B users... https://www.businessofapps.com/data/youtube-statistics/ > Did I make my point clear? You did. > Facebook and Google don't get it. HackerNews doesn't get it. We do. You're just…

I hear you loud and clear, which is why I say that admitting that TikTok is better/unique is not enough.

You need to understand what makes it better/unique to build better alternatives that at least won't be heavily influenced by an abusive regime.

Like, sure, let's take it as a given that TikTok will become undeniably evil in 4 years. What are we doing now to prevent a grim future?

I say, look at what makes this honeymoon phase so attractive, because as long as TikTok is the only place offering these benefits, people will go there.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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> Exhibit 1: Instagram, which is now imitating TikTok, poorly, with it's video feed. Literally all content I see there is TikTok reposts. Anecdata? > YouTube's... whatever. Dead in the water. Lol what? YT is still growing and has 2.3B users... https://www.businessofapps.com/data/youtube-statistics/ > Did I make my point clear? You did. > Facebook and Google don't get it. HackerNews doesn't get it. We do. You're just…

I hear you loud and clear, which is why I say that admitting that TikTok is better/unique is not enough . You need to understand what makes it better/unique to build better alternatives that at least won't be heavily influenced by an abusive regime. Like, sure, let's take it as a given that TikTok will become undeniably evil in 4 years. What are we doing now to prevent a grim future? I say, look at what makes this ho…

> Like, sure, let's take it as a given that TikTok will become undeniably evil in 4 years. What are we doing now to prevent a grim future?

Simple - not use it. It's entertainment. There are more suitable alternatives (reading books, watching movies, etc.) that have far less evil externalities.

> You need to understand what makes it better/unique to build better alternatives that at least won't be heavily influenced by an abusive regime.

I think the point there is that until a new biz model comes up for social media there is always an incentive to abuse privacy (Facebook/IG) or be abused for surveillance by a gov't.

Glad you calmed down there a bit, makes for better discourse ;)

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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I am Dutch.

Which country has closer values to your country? US or China? Take the parents comment above and turn it from binary into a spectrum using this metric.

As far as colonialism and imperialism goes, you're right that the Dutch has closer values to the US.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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>Is it "representation" if it's only seen by people who want to see it? Why is that objectionable? It's not like people don't know about queer or trans people and tiktok is shielding them from knowing, people know and just aren't interested. Forcing people to watch things they aren't interested in only makes them resentful and fed up with them, instead of simply uninterested. Interest can't be demanded.

Do you support minority quotas or any other measures intended for diversity?

No, quite honestly I think they are stupid (and was called a homophobe for that once).

Having minority characters in itself is perfectly okay, overcompensating in the other direction and flooding people's media with people that barely make up 10% of the population in a misguided attempt to "promote tolerance" is bizarre. Coupled with the fact that supporters of this idea all seem to share a very moralistic attitude and jump at the opportunity to call any critic the most extreme names they can come up with, that makes the idea pretty weak in my eyes.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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the idea that Americans are more innovative hasn't been true for quite a while - look at Nio, Xiaomi, Huawei, ByteDance, and countless other examples. I wonder how many employees at these corporations previously worked at Tesla, Apple, Cisco and Vines... In Huawei's case, the binaries shipped with the products still had the Cisco copyright strings in them! > back in 2008 when Facebook was tiny on a global scale, ther…

The same that's happening with Facebook and Tik Tok - the new guys built a better product and that was it. In a sense, it's how life works - the winner takes it all. But that's only true in a 100% free-for-all society, whereas most countries have found that some level of regulation is better than none. To take this a level further, consider the fact that many European countries impose tariffs on US-made cars, making…

> To take this a level further, consider the fact that many European countries impose tariffs on US-made cars, making them substantially more expensive to buy in Europe than in the US. A way around that, obviously, is to manufacture them in Europe. Is there something to be said about asking a company that's about to kick Facebook's ass, to use a US-based hosting infrastructure for their US traffic?

With GDPR Europe is actually moving toward a tax on tech by requiring local data-centers be used. If you can't innovate, time to regulate!

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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I hear you loud and clear, which is why I say that admitting that TikTok is better/unique is not enough . You need to understand what makes it better/unique to build better alternatives that at least won't be heavily influenced by an abusive regime. Like, sure, let's take it as a given that TikTok will become undeniably evil in 4 years. What are we doing now to prevent a grim future? I say, look at what makes this ho…

> Like, sure, let's take it as a given that TikTok will become undeniably evil in 4 years. What are we doing now to prevent a grim future? Simple - not use it. It's entertainment. There are more suitable alternatives (reading books, watching movies, etc.) that have far less evil externalities. > You need to understand what makes it better/unique to build better alternatives that at least won't be heavily influenced b…

Look, you still aren't addressing the issues I'm raising.

>> What are we doing now to prevent a grim future? > Simple - not use it.

You are not using it already. Didn't stop TikTok from getting to the #1 spot. Saying "it's bad, don't use it" works about as well as abstinence-only sex-ed.

>I think the point there is that until a new biz model comes up for social media there is always an incentive to abuse privacy (Facebook/IG) or be abused for surveillance by a gov't.

OK? We aren't talking about that.

What I am saying is that people don't use a social network because of its business model and privacy stance. You might, and you are not representative (again, #1 app!).

If a non-evil, different-business-model social network springs up, it would need to have the good sides of TikTok for users to switch. Otherwise it will fail.

Do you understand that if you want TikTok to fail, you need to understand why people are flocking to it in droves? Queer/disabled/neurodivergent people in particular?

>It's entertainment.

If you only see TikTok as entertainment at this point, after I went to more than extensive detail about the value it brings beyond that, I perceive it as staying willfully ignorant by choice.

>There are more suitable alternatives (reading books, watching movies, etc.)

Suitable for whom? Again, you can only speak for yourself here. My point is that there are no suitable alternatives for large groups of people, particularly neurodivergent/disabled people and folks with mental health issues.

I have written a lot specifically to convey the point that both the value they get on TikTok (beyond entertainment) and the barriers they face elsewhere are not well understood here, and spent quite some time writing about both.

If you could do me a favor and re-read the entire thread before arguing further, I'd feel like my efforts to explain both the value and the barriers were not in vain.

>that have far less evil externalities.

FYI, shifting the burden of responsibility for the externalites onto the shoulders of consumers has not worked once. We have seen this with environmental damage, transportation, smoking, and so on. (If you want to argue about that, let's do it in a different thread, and please look up some examples before trying to reason about what "should" and "should not" work).

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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I wouldn't take that for granted at all, the last 4 years will definitely have a lasting impact on any brain gain the US might've had.

Curious what you're implying happened in the US in the last 4 years. Maybe I'm missing some important event other than Covid but that affects all countries.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/567493-dysfunctional...

https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2021/08/03/fading-beacon-...

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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I wouldn't take that for granted at all, the last 4 years will definitely have a lasting impact on any brain gain the US might've had.

My observation is that it actually accelerated said brain-gain. There was a crackdown on fraudulent H1B applications, with more RFEs being issued. That freed a lot of spots for legitimate applicants that were hogged by questionable bodyshops. It also incentivized attorneys to start looking at O-1 (and they are easier than people think for real engineers to get). Academically, a lot was written (by foreign universitie…

Can you cite links that support your assertion that there were fewer fraudulent H1B applications?
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