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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by arwhatever »

idiotsecant wrote: post #152
mfer wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trucks very much have a place in society. Farmers, construction workers, and some other areas definitely need them. The trend that they need to be an everyday vehicle for anyone is something that should be looked at. What is the psychology and intentional planning that's caused this shift? What subtle population engineering has lead to this without people realizing it?

There are a certain group of users that need the machines to be strong for towing, tall for required ground clearance, and with bed capacity to haul material, tools, and other everyday cargo. There is another group that doesn't need any of things but is convinced that they might some day. They are aspirational requirements. Why are those people convinced they need these things? The same reason anyone is convinced the…

You nailed it.

There are a good number of legitimate uses and legitimate users for these vehicles (I know a lot of legitimate users), but the vast majority of the giant vehicles on the road have only 1 visible occupant and no visible cargo.

And although I am doubtless projecting, I can't help but envision a fresh hot latte in their cupholder, which the driver is on their way back from procuring.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rsync »

whymauri wrote: post #256
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

>It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. I got a rental car recently and they gave me a bright red pickup because it was the fastest option. I was surprised by the good vibes I got from all the other pickup drivers, lol. It's like I got inducted into a secret club for a day with a lot of waves and thumbs up. A woman went up to my group in a parking lot and said something like "Hell yea…

"I got a rental car recently and they gave me a bright red pickup because it was the fastest option. I was surprised by the good vibes I got from all the other pickup drivers, lol. It's like I got inducted into a secret club for a day with a lot of waves and thumbs up."

That's interesting ...

Our ranch truck is a "work truck"[1] - basically a fleet vehicle, colored white, with an 8 foot bed.

I get no vibes at all :)

[1] Silverado 1500 with no options.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by kingsuper20 »

heymijo wrote: post #120
namdnay wrote: post #4

I guess the fact that's it's electric is a good step. But it seems insane to me that we don't do more to discourage massive consumption of what should be utility vehicles. I'm willing to be 80% of people buying an f150 or similar never have been and never will be building contractors or lumberjacks.

I thought it was due to fuel standard requirements and loopholes between autos and light trucks like the F-150. Cars and mid size SUVs all seem to be converging on the same shape with minor differences where as trucks still have some individuality. So I went to check this supposition out and whew, I’m confused. CAFE standards, harmonic means, compliance flexibility, offset credits are all more than I can wrap my head…

I liked this line in that article:

"For example, Ford sells both the Focus, a mid-size car that gets 31 mpg on highways, and the F-150, a midsize truck that gets 25 mpg on highways."

I mean, just think about how similar those numbers are given the vehicles. Pretty wild.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bboylen »

jacurtis wrote: post #395
dboreham wrote: post #319

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Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

I moved to Idaho a several years ago and went through the same experience. I showed up in my Toyota Corolla and everyone kept saying it was a "cute car". This was just a normal car in Seattle. But here everyone was like, "oh how cute... a little Corolla". I also got comments from co-workers that were like "oh does your wife drive your truck?" Here every family basically owns a pickup. Idaho has a lot of BLM land, (se…

I don't think people realize how expensive pickup trucks are. The 2021 F-150 Platinum Trim you mentioned starts at $59,110 - these are luxury vehicles.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by tha0xb1 »

misiti3780 wrote: post #351
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

As someone who comes from a rural area but drives an EV, my whole issue with trucks is that 90% of the people I know that have trucks do not need them for work, it sort of a status symbol in rural America. A lot of these trucks are huge, not your standard truck, but more like a tank. Trucks get shitty gas mileage and potentially cause more wear and tear on the public roads, and are definitely not good for the environ…

>Trucks get shitty gas mileage and potentially cause more wear and tear on the public roads, and are definitely not good for the environment.

The Model X weighs more than a standard F-150. It technically does more damage to the roads than F-150s do.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rsync »

Someone1234 wrote: post #277
golover721 wrote: post #242

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Agreed, which makes it strange that it’s only available as a crew cab.

Most of the gas F-150 sales are crew cab models, so it makes sense not to target that relatively small niche. The long-bed was popular back when people owned a truck as an extra vehicle/work vehicle only , now many use their truck as their main vehicle and have need of carrying others. If you look at the creature comforts of older bench seat trucks (bare-bones) and the trucks sold today, a truck today will have every…

"The long-bed was popular back when people owned a truck as an extra vehicle/work vehicle only, now many use their truck as their main vehicle and have need of carrying others."

My favorite configuration is:

- 8 foot bed

- extended (not full) cab

- rear doors are "suicide" doors

Our ranch truck is a Silverado 1500 in that configuration and it is nice to have optional seats but not lose the 8 foot bed. Suicide doors allow you to open the entire vehicle up with no pillar in the way and I love that.

Chevy no longer offers this but I think Ford does, currently ...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by syshum »

elihu wrote: post #606
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #501

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>you can't really get small pickups that size anymore Write your representative and tell them to thank the EPA and NHTSA for doing their jobs. The death of the small pickup is squarely the fault of the confluence of fuel economy and crash safety regulations.

> Write your representative and tell them to thank the EPA and NHTSA for doing their jobs. It seems like those regulations aren't working they way they ought to if the result is to encourage people to drive bigger cars than they need and to have more cars on the road that minimize the safety risk to the occupants while maximizing risk to everyone else... > The death of the small pickup is squarely the fault of the co…

>>>It seems like those regulations aren't working they way they ought to

Regulations rarely end up with the outcomes the people pushing for the regulations publicly claim the desired outcome is.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by [deleted] »

orthecreedence wrote: post #448
dboreham wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

Yeah, I moved out to the country(ish) recently after living in SF and swore off ever getting a truck. Within a year of being out here, finally caved and got one and haven't looked back. I still have the smaller honda for longer trips, but the truck has opened up an entire world (getting plywood sheets/siding/lumber, dump runs, towing, etc). So much of the stuff I used to think "I can't do that myself" now just takes…

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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by francoisp »

Actually if they can build an Expedition SUV on this platform in short order, they could have another model T on their hands. That little e at the end of the bar crossing the capital F would finally take its meaning! (seriously in this price range, it could be a Panel van replacement for amazon, FEDEX, plumbers etc. A suburban ppl mover would be an absolute hit, I'd buy one in advance. (not a 100$ deposit, and cancel my CT reservation that I'm hoping to convert on to a yet to be announced hypothetical tesla SUV based on CT...)
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