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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by hef19898 »

joshstrange wrote: post #641
sdenton4 wrote: post #479

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This really is the rule, not the exception. Every time I've deigned to wade into conservative "free-speech" zones I've been booted out for ideological nonconformity. Tolerance is a peace treaty: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1...

Agreed, the irony of /r/conservative complaining about censorship or their rights to free speech being restricted while making submitting posts and commenting "flaired users only" (AKA only the users who agree with us and think the same way) is completely lost on them...

I am slowly suspecting that being capable of tremendous levels of cognitive disoance, without realizing it, is one of the common denominators of radicals. Quite obvious in right wingers, but I wouldn't exclude others, I just saw it more at the right end of the political spectrum.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by julianmarq »

wrs wrote: post #675
julianmarq wrote: post #559

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> best to just scan and pattern match the kind of exchanges occurring before moving swiftly along. How do you do that? I've noticed lately that HN commentary (at least in threads like this) has trended increasingly pro-censorship[1] lately, and it's pretty disheartening to read. Would rather do something like what you say, but I'm not quite sure what you mean. [1]: Which is a bit ironic, thinking about it.

The use of the term “censorship” is itself a negative signal, as it preempts useful discussion by imposing a false dichotomy. There’s no feasible zero-censorship scenario (see “yelling fire in a crowded theater”, etc.) so pretty much everyone is “pro-censorship” to some degree. But pretty much no one wants preapproval of every utterance either, so everyone is also “anti-censorship”. If you see someone talking about “…

> But pretty much no one wants preapproval of every utterance either, so everyone is also “anti-censorship”.

I've seen people arguing that the concept of free speech is "outdated" and that societies that hold it are "doomed to collapse", just as an example of what I meant in my first comment.

> so pretty much everyone is “pro-censorship” to some degree

Please, don't. You're arguing against an extreme of my comment instead of what I actually meant[1] (which, of course, you're free to do, but I would also be just as free to dismiss it as a bad faith argument), but also you're extending something you might believe onto others. You're of course free to be "pro-censorship", but you don't know what everyone else thinks, and certainly not what I think.

> The use of the term “censorship” is itself a negative signal, as it preempts useful discussion by imposing a false dichotomy.

I completely disagree with this. The example I gave is absolutely an argument in favor of censorship.

> If you see someone talking about “damping positive disinformation feedback loops” or something like that, rather than “censorship”, that’s one signal there’s a substantive discussion taking place.

Excusing it by saying "dampening positive disinformation feedback loops" is excusing censorship. You might refuse to call it such, but I don't have a reason not to.

[1]: For starters, I'm aware that there's unprotected speech for a reason, and I never called condemnation of such speech "censorship".

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by ativzzz »

Kaze404 wrote: post #653
liminal wrote: post #642

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FWIW I've found that true on the left as well

Can you name any left-leaning communities that promote "unmoderated" free-speech? As someone who's in many left-leaning communities, this would be news to me and I'm genuinely curious to how it works.

I think the biggest difference between far-left and far-right communities is that far-left communities don't pretend to have free speech. And because they don't care about free speech they are more willing to shut down content that the host platform may object to, like calls to violence. See places like /r/latestagecapitalism.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by jtbayly »

Miner49er wrote: post #185
thomastjeffery wrote: post #39

When you purposefully leak private data, you no longer get to hide behind the title "Security Researcher".

The person who did this calls themselves a hacker. It's just whoever wrote this article that decided to call them a "security researcher".

In other words, the media really is as liberal as is claimed by some?

How does that change things? The article calls them security researchers. In the title! Isn't that an example of something that HN is tacitly acknowledging to be true by leaving the title alone?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by loveistheanswer »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #612
brigandish wrote: post #344

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> The threat is in giving the fascist terrorist 1% a microphone The problem with fascist terrorists is not their rhetoric, it's their violence. Allow them to speak their mind and you lower their need for violent action and everyone else gets to show that their ideas are horribly flawed. It's amusing to think that people seriously believe there are huge swathes of people just ripe to become neo-nazis because someone g…

> Allow them to speak their mind and you lower their need for violent action That may be true, or that may not be true. Has there been any research on this?

History is replete with examples

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by andrewzah »

dvlsg wrote: post #353
foolfoolz wrote: post #250

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reddit is the same thing. not all of 4chan is bad. not all of reddit is bad. but there is bad on both. it has nothing to do with the website it’s the format

The difference is that reddit at least tries to moderate calls to violence and hate speech. They don't always do a good job of it, though.

AFAIK 4chan is also moderated to an extent, which is what lead to 8chan/others.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by dang »

sillycon-valley wrote: post #662
nicwolff wrote: post #626

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A propaganda weapon whose founder was just back from a trip to Russia with his Russian wife and whose parent company was incorporated by Giuliani's firm while he was traveling in Russia... https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1327253991936454663.html

How dare he have a Russian wife or travel. This is a perfect example of the conspiracies of the left. edit: downvote/flag all you want, the article he linked to is terribly written and makes giant leaps in logic. edit: dang shadowbanned me and not the conspiracy post above me. dang you are a 50cent super solider aren't you. how are we supposed to not talk about politics in a political post? half of the frontpage are…

It's against the rules to use this site primarily for ideological battle, and we ban accounts that do it, regardless of which ideology they're battling for. We have to, because it's the primary thing that destroys the curious conversation this site exists for.

I've therefore banned this account. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with.

Yes, the rules are just the same for the opposite ideological side.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by franklampard »

balls187 wrote: post #681
franklampard wrote: post #639

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> The same cesspool of vile content You are troubling if you really find that

Took me less than 30 seconds to type in a racial slur into Twitter's search bar and find it. And I don't even have a twitter account.

If you report them they don’t get removed on Twitter?

Without a Twitter account you claim that Twitter has the same vile content?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by jtbayly »

Benjmhart wrote: post #655
thomastjeffery wrote: post #39

When you purposefully leak private data, you no longer get to hide behind the title "Security Researcher".

The vast majority of this data was posted publicly. You have no reasonable expectation of privacy.

Vast majority? OK..... So what about the stuff that was from private posts? You're really going to justify this?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

Kaze404 wrote: post #653
liminal wrote: post #642

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW I've found that true on the left as well

Can you name any left-leaning communities that promote "unmoderated" free-speech? As someone who's in many left-leaning communities, this would be news to me and I'm genuinely curious to how it works.

I don’t know about “communities”, but there were definitely many people calling for violence at BLM protests and marches in 2020.
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