Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler • Hacker News Board

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by ehsankia » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:48 AM UTC

jp57 wrote: post #675

I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest and not an existential threat to the republic. The president's followers said for weeks that "the storm" was coming Jan 6. Nobody took them seriously. Look what happened. The president and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and other followers incited it. Yes the execution of the…

They had zipties, bombs, weapons and gallows. Can you imagine if one of those people who've spent 2 years reading hateful news about AOC would've done if they managed to make it to her office? Honestly January 6 could've ended much worse, and if something isn't done to put a break to the vitriot going unchecked on Parler, it very well may happen.

These people were recruiting and planning everything on Parler, doxxing and sharing information. This is what happens when a platform goes unmoderated. People like to think that a 100% free speech platform is great, but every instance of it I've seen has devolved into child porn, doxxing and violence.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:48 AM UTC

oliv__ wrote: post #628

I'm having a real hard time understanding how all the comments in the thread are in favor of this. I mean, even if you disagree with the idea of Parler, how can one willingly support this kind of censorship? "First they came for the XYZ and I didn't care because I wasn't XYZ, then they came for the ..., and then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me"

It's not censorship in the least. The government isn't chasing them because of stuff they said. And it's weird that you are using a quote that was coined with respect to the Nazi period, in defense of a group where members are wearing shirts saying "Camp Auschwitz".

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by kyle_martin1 » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:49 AM UTC

jp57 wrote: post #675

I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest and not an existential threat to the republic. The president's followers said for weeks that "the storm" was coming Jan 6. Nobody took them seriously. Look what happened. The president and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and other followers incited it. Yes the execution of the…

If you support free speech then quit gaslighting and support freedom of speech. This kind of comment is toxic.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by r0s » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:51 AM UTC

oliv__ wrote: post #628

I'm having a real hard time understanding how all the comments in the thread are in favor of this. I mean, even if you disagree with the idea of Parler, how can one willingly support this kind of censorship? "First they came for the XYZ and I didn't care because I wasn't XYZ, then they came for the ..., and then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me"

How is it hard to understand that private companies can set their own terms of use?

I'm having a real hard time understanding how anyone, especially business people can misunderstand this.

Simple: It's not censorship.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by ookblah » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:52 AM UTC

oliv__ wrote: post #628

I'm having a real hard time understanding how all the comments in the thread are in favor of this. I mean, even if you disagree with the idea of Parler, how can one willingly support this kind of censorship? "First they came for the XYZ and I didn't care because I wasn't XYZ, then they came for the ..., and then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me"

because they are a platform that tends to host the type of people that actively plot to overthrow our gov't? lol i don't understand where this intellectual both sides type argument comes from. they literally do not pass the sniff test in any measure.

there is no slippery slope here. millions of more "rational" conservatives are absolutely fine and are not being banned. if this purges all the loony bin q-anon and conspiracy theory stuff then i'm for it. you can make that argument if it stays in discussion land, but as we've seen, it actually boiled into violence against the state.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by gedy » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:52 AM UTC

tpirx wrote: post #668

A protests of 1000s(tens?) of people had some unknown (be honest) number of violent actors that resulted in the death of two people. We have no means of verifying that those who committed violence did so at the behest of bad actors on any given App. We can speculate or let the media speculate for us. Speculation nonetheless. One would think that a community so dependent on data would require it. Would you have felt m…

It sounds like you are describing George Floyd protests too - Twitter, etc was used to coordinate. Seems like a big double standard here.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by kyle_martin1 » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:52 AM UTC

ve55 wrote: post #4

It must feel pretty surreal to be someone that is constantly moving to different communication apps and instantly finding them pulled by anyone and everyone. We've seen an escalation of this from higher-level platforms (obviously Twitter can ban an account if they desire) to medium-level platforms (I suppose Apple gets to pick what I can do on my own phone even if it feels a bit wrong), but I'm curious if this will a…

“... it's obvious that deplatforming groups will make them feel persecuted....”

It is persecution.

per·se·cu·tion - hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by steve76 » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:53 AM UTC

ve55 wrote: post #4

It must feel pretty surreal to be someone that is constantly moving to different communication apps and instantly finding them pulled by anyone and everyone. We've seen an escalation of this from higher-level platforms (obviously Twitter can ban an account if they desire) to medium-level platforms (I suppose Apple gets to pick what I can do on my own phone even if it feels a bit wrong), but I'm curious if this will a…

Romney, McCain, Bush, Dole, Bush, Reagan, Ford all got it worse. The dirty secret of politics? This is battle on the Serengeti. There are no sides, no code of conduct.

A tweet can start a riot. What a joke. 0.25% interest rate increase, these hypocritical petty rich fools go on a bread line. Probably lead to 5 week social security checks, hurting the most vulnerable the most, but America is not going to be old forever. Perhaps they can cut back on the heroin.

Normal Americans held back from fighting thieves and arsonists unleashed on them by their leadership. As soon as election was over, they struck back, and mercifully compared to what they themselves went through, most of who are poor and out of the fight.

Soon you will be doing this to each other, if you haven't already. Americans just have to stay out of it. Take the free money, save it while everyone chases the spotlight maiming each other in the process. What's telling is how so many people bought the hype, thinking this time is any different than what everyone has been doing to each other always.

Empathy, the burden of knowledge.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by thedieiscast » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:54 AM UTC

jp57 wrote: post #675

I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest and not an existential threat to the republic. The president's followers said for weeks that "the storm" was coming Jan 6. Nobody took them seriously. Look what happened. The president and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and other followers incited it. Yes the execution of the…

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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by drieddust » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:54 AM UTC

jp57 wrote: post #675

I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest and not an existential threat to the republic. The president's followers said for weeks that "the storm" was coming Jan 6. Nobody took them seriously. Look what happened. The president and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and other followers incited it. Yes the execution of the…

> The western liberal value of free speech has never extended to incitement of violence.

I have 3 questions:

1. If people can't revolt than why American constitution have second amendment?

2. If people can't raise against the government, then what was BLM and ANTIFA rioters doing for months? Don't you think this bunch was much more disciplined than BLM/ANTIFA?

3. These tech companies keep sucking up to China,Iran, and even Malaysia why?

I am not an American so just curious why this one sided censure feel ok?

Edit: added last sentence.